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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 2nd, 2018, 10:39 am
by LakeCharles
Also, how many food halls can we sustain? The Dayton's Project has a 40,000 sq.ft. food hall planned, there are two under way in St. Paul, one in Northeast, and obviously Midtown Global.

But it would seem to complement the plethora of nearby breweries quite well.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 2nd, 2018, 11:36 am
by Silophant
minntransplant wrote:
February 2nd, 2018, 10:22 am
I like the concept, but couldn't they add a couple levels of apartments or condos above it? Not exactly the highest and best use ...
They actually can't. The condo building next door owns the air rights to protect their views, so they can't build taller than 40'. It's unfortunate, but there's not really any way around it short of convincing the condo board to sell the air rights back.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 2nd, 2018, 11:46 am
by MattW
Silophant wrote:
February 2nd, 2018, 11:36 am
minntransplant wrote:
February 2nd, 2018, 10:22 am
I like the concept, but couldn't they add a couple levels of apartments or condos above it? Not exactly the highest and best use ...
They actually can't. The condo building next door owns the air rights to protect their views, so they can't build taller than 40'. It's unfortunate, but there's not really any way around it short of convincing the condo board to sell the air rights back.
Is this the first condo association/homeowner that "gets it"!? If you want the view, you have to own the view.

Otherwise, good news in hopefully closing the fast casual food gap in the North Loop. I had a friend that used to live at Junction Flats, if we wanted something quick to eat it was either Jimmy Johns delivery or the SA next door. *shudder*

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 2nd, 2018, 1:14 pm
by transplant
Silophant wrote:
February 2nd, 2018, 11:36 am
minntransplant wrote:
February 2nd, 2018, 10:22 am
I like the concept, but couldn't they add a couple levels of apartments or condos above it? Not exactly the highest and best use ...
They actually can't. The condo building next door owns the air rights to protect their views, so they can't build taller than 40'. It's unfortunate, but there's not really any way around it short of convincing the condo board to sell the air rights back.
I don't think it is unfortunate at all. The original developer owned the entire block and the Bookman stacks was masterplanned to have a tall condo building with a low rise and a green space between. This provides texture and varying degrees of scale to the block. The developer could have done a 3 or 4 story donut-shaped or U-shaped building that filled the block but opted for this route. This is an example of actually taking a wholistic approach. It seems a bit odd now because the neighborhood is very different than it was when this was completed but it is still a good approach. The only downside is that it is taking forever to build the low rise. The original developer was going to do a swanky restaurant on the space but that fell through in the recession and so it still sits undeveloped.

I think this is a great concept and assuming the "food hall" approach allows for a few cheaper options it would be great for the neighborhood. We don't need another $15 burger.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 2nd, 2018, 1:14 pm
by FISHMANPET
They literally can't, the Bookmen Stacks owns the air rights on this plot, so this is as high as the developer can go.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 2nd, 2018, 5:22 pm
by lorwest
The views from the Bookmen Stacks are great, it's a well-planned block that's taking awhile to get completed.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 2nd, 2018, 11:15 pm
by seanrichardryan
The property is governed by the Stacks condo board I think- so no view blocking buildings I'd guess. The Bookman parking is under the site.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 5th, 2018, 9:24 am
by Tyler
I've got a interesting tidbit on this one -- when I was touring a unit at The Stacks in 06' I was told they had air rights to the plot in front of them and therefor the views would be retained. It was all kind of hush-hush backroom deal sounding, so you didn't hear it from me.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 17th, 2018, 5:45 pm
by GILBball
The parking garage on 10th ave is really going up quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if it's open by late spring or early summer. Turns out, when a building is mostly just pre-cast cement or whatever, it doesn't actually take very long to assemble...

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 18th, 2018, 2:54 am
by 612pab
I currently live in the Bookman lofts. We Do Not own the land. We almost bought it but we didn't last year. The bylaws state that a building of no more than two stories can be built on that land. That has been written in since the lofts and stacks were made for whomever takes ownership of the land. We almost bought it but the seller had some bizarre terms...

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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 18th, 2018, 2:56 am
by 612pab
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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 18th, 2018, 2:43 pm
by alexschief
Owning the air rights and owning the land are two different things.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 12:49 pm
by mnmike

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 1:06 pm
by ztr421
I can't access the article, but I would guess that it's about the Schafer Richardson apartment project along 3rd St N (http://www.journalmpls.com/news/develop ... orth-loop/) - that large parking lot has been the rumored location for the NL park. Last I heard, the park would be about 0.75 acre.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 7:15 pm
by uptown067
The park aside, am I the only one that thinks it's a joke that this neighborhood can't seem to get anything better than a generic, fairly ugly six story apartment building? Wasn't there some legislative changes made last year that were supposed to make things easier/more viable for condo developments?

With the dwindling number of available lots, it seems like the neighborhood is close to realizing its potential, or at least its easy to envision what that potential looks like, and it's fairly disappointing.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: February 28th, 2018, 9:33 am
by amiller92
What are you looking for? Height? Aren't there height restrictions?

I actually like most of the newer stuff, mostly because it looks modern and easily distinguishable from the old stuff, much of which is cool.

I'll grant you the older generation of new stuff (e.g., River Station condos & TownePlace Suites) are pretty boring.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: April 19th, 2018, 7:03 pm
by Anondson
The closer North Loop development gets to Plymouth Ave, the more I dwell on the crappy urban experience of the 94 viaduct.

There are a lot of opportunities to reconnect some of the grid up there.
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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: April 19th, 2018, 9:18 pm
by seanrichardryan
The city & MNDot invested A LOT in eliminating that neighborhood. We can't just throw that investment away.

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: April 19th, 2018, 10:52 pm
by mister.shoes

Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Posted: April 20th, 2018, 6:34 am
by Silophant
uptown067 wrote:
February 27th, 2018, 7:15 pm
The park aside, am I the only one that thinks it's a joke that this neighborhood can't seem to get anything better than a generic, fairly ugly six story apartment building? Wasn't there some legislative changes made last year that were supposed to make things easier/more viable for condo developments?

With the dwindling number of available lots, it seems like the neighborhood is close to realizing its potential, or at least its easy to envision what that potential looks like, and it's fairly disappointing.
It is strange to me that they're building 20+ story towers across the river, but nothing more than 5+1s in the North Loop. There's height restrictions, of course, but the limit is 140', so they wouldn't prevent an 11-story building like Latitude 45 or Iron Clad.