4Marq - 400 Marquette Ave (313' - 30 Stories)
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Magic-Paks on a tower of this size? Is that unusual? Seems quite inefficient...and ugly.
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I took this last week. I really don't think it looks bad one some sides, but the south side is something else
DSC_0924 by grant.simons, on Flickr
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Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)
No inside information here, but they could be taking in fresh air for each individual unit, and then conditioning that air with water that was heated or cooled by a central plant. It's much easier and cheaper (and it takes up less space) to move conditioned water than conditioned air.
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Q. What, what? A. In da butt.
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Well, there you go.
It's baffling to me that they'd use electric heat in this climate.
It's baffling to me that they'd use electric heat in this climate.
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For sure... I'd assume this means no LEED for this one. Is that a safe assumption, Sean?
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Most magic paks are natural gas heat. Are these electric?
Nevermind - MCE = electric, MGE = gas
Nevermind - MCE = electric, MGE = gas
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Of course, the REAL benefit of Magic Paks is pawning off the heating expenses to the individual residents rather than the building paying for it. It's a back door rent increase
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^I've definitely wondered about that before. I figure most people who have only lived in older buildings with either the big honkin' radiators or baseboard radiators have always had their heat included in rent. Any idea what those heating expenses would cost in a 750sf place?
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My friends live in a brand new building and have windows on all four sides of their unit (it's a weirdly shaped bit that sticks out funny from the rest of the building). They've got to have 800-1000 square feet. They got hit with something like a $200 heating bill this winter. And it wasn't even that cold.
They always were on the edge of affordability for that place, but that definitely helped them realize they needed to downgrade a lot for their next apartment.
They always were on the edge of affordability for that place, but that definitely helped them realize they needed to downgrade a lot for their next apartment.
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Was that $200 for the entire winter or each month? I thought the gas ones were around $40 / Month for heating.
On the flip side, Magic Paks are more efficient at cooling then the old boiler baseboard / wall shaker AC combo
On the flip side, Magic Paks are more efficient at cooling then the old boiler baseboard / wall shaker AC combo
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I don't know if it actually hit $200, but it was for a month. Maybe it was $150. All I remember was that my jaw hit the floor when I heard that. I lived with these friends and some others in a house during college and had our monthly heat bill hit something like $400 one month (but that was a leaky, horrible old Como house).
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Wow, that does sound high. My slightly drafty 1900 SSP house uses $150 - $200 of gas per month in the winter - and that includes the water heater and dryer.
Of course, we keep the temp set at 66
Of course, we keep the temp set at 66
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My guess it is very minimal. When I lived a high rise downtown the heat was turned on zero times.
The 'packed thru the wall units' make the prospect of condo conversion easier. The less that is held in common by the residents, the less association fees a management company would need to charge.
The 'packed thru the wall units' make the prospect of condo conversion easier. The less that is held in common by the residents, the less association fees a management company would need to charge.
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I had $200 a month heating bills this winter, but I've got a 1400 square foot house that leaks like a sieve.
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I moved into a 700-sf apartment heated with natural gas last year, so I had been a bit nervous about potential high prices. However, my natural gas bill for February, where I used the most gas (21 therms), adds up to $25.28. I live on the third floor.
I was surprised to see that the price of natural gas -- at least what the utilities pay -- spikes a lot each winter, and they went way up in the 2013-2014 winter (at least for the northeastern U.S.). Maybe some reports of higher prices came from the utility adding on extra surcharges because of swings like that, or the customer had signed up for some special program that allowed prices to go on a wider swing?
I did get hit by a big electric bill one month because Xcel clearly wasn't continuously monitoring my energy usage. My place had been empty for a few months before I moved in, and I'm the first person to ever be in it. My electric bills were surprisingly low in August and September, but then I got hit with a huge bill in October after they finally checked my meter -- it went from $22.60 the previous month to $179.38, but following months have been more reasonable at around $70 to $80 (including both electric and gas).
This is in a brand-new building, so I expected them to have smart meters that could be read remotely and wouldn't be subject to this type of problem, but whatever.
I was surprised to see that the price of natural gas -- at least what the utilities pay -- spikes a lot each winter, and they went way up in the 2013-2014 winter (at least for the northeastern U.S.). Maybe some reports of higher prices came from the utility adding on extra surcharges because of swings like that, or the customer had signed up for some special program that allowed prices to go on a wider swing?
I did get hit by a big electric bill one month because Xcel clearly wasn't continuously monitoring my energy usage. My place had been empty for a few months before I moved in, and I'm the first person to ever be in it. My electric bills were surprisingly low in August and September, but then I got hit with a huge bill in October after they finally checked my meter -- it went from $22.60 the previous month to $179.38, but following months have been more reasonable at around $70 to $80 (including both electric and gas).
This is in a brand-new building, so I expected them to have smart meters that could be read remotely and wouldn't be subject to this type of problem, but whatever.
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Not sure how shared heat is a disadvantage, really. Unless you like your unit cold.^ good point about the condo conversion
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I don't see this as an issue. Units will pay their fair share. if the cost of heating was shared across the entire building, monthly rents would go up and people would still have to pay for it.
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