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Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: July 18th, 2014, 8:15 am
by mullen
umm, the project footprint is a like a third of nic on fifth. nic stretches the entire width of the block, parking ramp and all.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: July 18th, 2014, 8:19 am
by mattaudio
tabletop was comparing the towers, but yes the Nic on 5th podium is HUUGE compared to 4Marq.

It makes me wonder - decades from now, will it become economically justifiable to redevelop some of the larger podium sections downtown as good parcels become scarce?

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: July 18th, 2014, 11:47 am
by min-chi-cbus
mattaudio wrote:Nicollet Mall is the premiere street downtown. Most people don't really think too much about the number part of the address any more than they need to in order to know which block it's on. 465 Nicollet is just fine.

Who determines address numbers and changes? The planning department through revised plats?
I would have guessed that for every 100 block address the individual numbers assigned to buildings within a block represent some fraction of 100. In this case, maybe it's 1/3, or 35, 65 and 100 (plus 400) if there are three structure on the block. Thereby giving the Nic on 5th the 465 distinction.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: July 18th, 2014, 4:54 pm
by tabletop
Silophant wrote:Because Nicollet Mall is a more prestigious street.

As far as 1 East 5th St. goes, by my understanding, Hennepin is the origin point for E-W (N-S? Let's go with NW-SE) streets. Addresses on the NW side of Hennepin are XXX Xth St. N, and on the SE side are XXX Xth St. S. So 1 5th St. S would be the Lumber Exchange building, or the parking lot across the street from it. Nicollet Mall, for some reason, only counts as a halfway point between Hennepin (0th Ave), and Marquette (1st Ave S). Washington works the same way, so Marquette Plaza, for example, on Washington and Marquette, is 250 Marquette Ave.
Oh yeah, I knew that. Thanks.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: July 28th, 2014, 12:36 pm
by holmstar
Concrete truck on site right now.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: July 29th, 2014, 11:17 am
by spearson
They've been drilling massive footings for the last couple weeks and filling them with concrete. Some of the holes they are drilling look 10 feet across. I've never seen augers so big. It's funny too, each time I've walked by, 5 to 10 people standing at the fence watching.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: July 29th, 2014, 1:00 pm
by holmstar
There's a decent sized mobile crane on site now. I'm not sure they could fit much more equipment on this site.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: July 29th, 2014, 1:30 pm
by Minneboy
spearson wrote:They've been drilling massive footings for the last couple weeks and filling them with concrete. Some of the holes they are drilling look 10 feet across. I've never seen augers so big. It's funny too, each time I've walked by, 5 to 10 people standing at the fence watching.
Drooling?

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 2:06 pm
by kregger22
At what point might we see the semblance of a structure going up on this site?

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 2:52 pm
by HiawathaGuy
kregger22 wrote:At what point might we see the semblance of a structure going up on this site?
For context:
Nic on 5th demo work began in Nov. 2012.
Crane was installed in Feb. 2013.
The first floor was in place by late March/early April 2013.

This project's demo work began in late June.
So a guess is that one would think once they have the proper foundation support and walls, the crane should be installed sometime in Sept or maybe Oct (assuming the demo work is similar). With structure popping above ground before Thanksgiving.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 6:51 pm
by Andrew_F
The huge cassions they are putting in here seem crazy for a 30-story building. I wonder if the site has weird soil conditions?

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 6:58 pm
by gpete
This might be on top of a giant underground cave. I think there's one near this site. Maybe that has something to do with it?


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Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 7:34 pm
by grant1simons2
There are caves in Minneapolis..!?

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 8:13 pm
by go4guy
^ Like you wouldnt believe. Downtown Minneapolis is basically built on top of a vast amount of underground caves. You should be able to Google it and read all about it.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 8:33 pm
by grant1simons2
I mean I knew they had them in STP but not MPLS

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 9:40 pm
by Nick
Yeah, there's a cave under the neighboring block:

http://www.gregbrick.org/schieks_cave

I was kind of thinking that that had something to do with it.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 10:18 pm
by mattaudio
You'd think caves would be epic natural spaces for underground rail stations.

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 10:26 pm
by nBode
That was a seriously phenomenal (and disgusting) read. Thanks, Nick!

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 5th, 2014, 10:34 pm
by seanrichardryan
Yes, but did Greg Brick ever actually get to the cave or just plagiarize it? :D

Re: 4Marq - (313' - 30 Stories)

Posted: August 6th, 2014, 6:38 am
by go4guy
Anyone know where to find the photos of that?