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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby m b p » November 12th, 2013, 4:03 pm

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here's a google earth model for the new xcel building...

Detailed/colored (takes longer to load):
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... fee25a7f45

Basic white:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 45&ct=mdsa

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby Nick » April 1st, 2014, 3:05 pm

The garbage ramp at Nicollet & 4th closed this morning. Mazeltov!

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby Silophant » April 1st, 2014, 8:33 pm

Seems strange, since last I heard, it isn't going to be demolished until the third quarter. Though, I guess the 4Marq lot has also closed well in advance of anything actually starting there.

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby seanrichardryan » April 1st, 2014, 8:44 pm

It was probably deemed unsafe judging by its appearance.
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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby crizmois » April 1st, 2014, 10:17 pm

That ramp and the first floor with boarded up store fronts would have made a great filming location for a post-apocalyptic dystopian movie.

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby Silophant » April 7th, 2014, 10:47 am

There's a crew taking down the streetlights on 4th, and the skeleton of a pedestrian tunnel is up on Nicollet. Where's that Ron Paul GIF when you need it?

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby nordeast homer » April 7th, 2014, 3:21 pm

Who has the Champagne chilling? Was it Nick that was going to pop the cork when this ramp demo starts?

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby John » April 7th, 2014, 4:04 pm

nordeast homer wrote:Who has the Champagne chilling? Was it Nick that was going to pop the cork when this ramp demo starts?
It was I but maybe others said it too. The more champagne the better!

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby Seth » April 8th, 2014, 8:15 am

Just curious. When was the last time a public parking ramp was demolished downtown?

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby contrast » April 9th, 2014, 9:21 pm

Seth wrote:Just curious. When was the last time a public parking ramp was demolished downtown?
Only a guess- where the Federal Court House is now?

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby kellonathan » April 10th, 2014, 9:13 am

At least someone was working there yesterday.

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby Tom H. » April 10th, 2014, 10:28 am

The sidewalk on the north side of that block (which goes underneath the parking lot ramps) was not blocked off at the Nicollet Mall side yesterday afternoon. I walked about halfway along it, saw heavy construction equipment and workers at the far end, and had to turn around.

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby MNdible » April 10th, 2014, 10:37 am

So, was this ramp the absolute worst one in downtown Minneapolis, given it's egregious treatment of the sidewalk and generally unsympathetic appearance? And if so, what are the next ones on our hitlist?

Northstar Center and 8th Street Grill must be candidates.

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby mattaudio » April 10th, 2014, 11:04 am

I'd agree with those two.... are they the only other two garages where the sidewalk slips in behind the ramps?

The Midwest Plaza (8th St Grill) above ground podium garage can also be accessed off Marquette. The exit is (IIRC IMHO Obv) a helix to the main level with an exit onto Marquette shared by the the underground contract parking. These entrances all conflict with the southbound bus lanes on Marquette. But I wonder if it would be possible to simply remove the access on 8th St.

Northstar on the other hand.... that entire 2/3 block podium, the Crowne Plaza hotel above on 2nd and the 11-floor Northstar Center above on Marquette.... prime redevelopment opportunity. There's very little redeeming about it on the inside as well, with the weird escalator situation to the food court and the skyway disconnect. It could be redeveloped with a wonderful open atrium for street & skyway level. Something like a one-tower version of US Bank Plaza would be a winner. Along with sidewalk improvements, activation of the Park/Star Tribune facade and eventual redevelopment of the Thrivent lots, this could make 7th St S a premiere east-west pedestrian corridor.

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby Silophant » April 10th, 2014, 12:41 pm

MNdible wrote:So, was this ramp the absolute worst one in downtown Minneapolis, given it's egregious treatment of the sidewalk and generally unsympathetic appearance?
I think so, especially with the aggravating factor of being an unscreened ramp on Nicollet Mall itself.

I agree with those two, and I can't think of anyone ramps that abuse the sidewalk in that manner. I'd also like to see the ramp at 4th and Marquette go. Doesn't mess with the sidewalk, and it's not quite as decayed, but it's still a bare concrete ramp on one of the major corridors of downtown.

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby MNdible » April 10th, 2014, 12:57 pm

I kind of have a soft spot for the 4th and Marquette ramp and its cousin on 9th and LaSalle. They're all retro Mad Men throwback. First parking ramps to get HPC protection?

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby PhilmerPhil » April 10th, 2014, 12:57 pm

Let's keep the either of the 4th and Marquette or 9th and LaSalle ramps. Fifty years from now, it might be nice to have a vestige of the postwar automobile era.

Edit: Hey! MNdible and I agree!

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby Silophant » April 10th, 2014, 1:24 pm

Hm... I can't disagree with the unique architecture angle. Yeah, I can get behind one of them being kept. I don't actually have a problem with structured parking - I'd much rather focus on developing each and every surface lot before touching a single ramp. I'm just visually offended by ramps that didn't at least put the minimal thought towards aesthetics that, say, the Haaf Memorial Ramp did.

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby FISHMANPET » April 10th, 2014, 1:35 pm

9th & La Salle is kind of a dump inside, is 4th & Marquette in any better condition?

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Re: Xcel Energy HQ - (401 Nicollet Mall)

Postby mister.shoes » April 10th, 2014, 2:04 pm

The last time (the first of two, now that I think about it) I parked in 4th and Marquette, I wasn't entirely sure that it was going to be standing when the time came for me to retrieve my car. It's so scary, it's awesome. I think my favorite part are the brightly colored rails ringing the levels. Gives some interest. I also like that it's one of those parking ramps with staggered level floors and crazy steep mini ramps between them.
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