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Re: Upper Mississippi -- No Locks For You

Postby David Greene » June 11th, 2015, 11:44 pm

The falls never collapsed AFAIK. The apron was installed to protect it. Part of Nicollet Island collapsed due to tunneling. I didn't know about any quarrying. The interpretive signs in the area imply the lock is what destroyed Spirit Island.

Note that we don't actually have to remove the lock to restore the bridge. I could be down with the idea of turning the lock into a museum.

Didn't I read somewhere that MPRB or someone is planning to restore water to the old (sawmill?) chutes over by Water Power Park?

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Re: Upper Mississippi -- No Locks For You

Postby seanrichardryan » June 11th, 2015, 11:48 pm

Q. What, what? A. In da butt.

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Re: Upper Mississippi -- No Locks For You

Postby fehler » June 12th, 2015, 1:24 pm

I'm imagining turning the lock into a restaurant, with a glass ceiling, and the waterfall happening over your head.

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Re: Upper Mississippi -- No Locks For You

Postby Anondson » June 12th, 2015, 2:04 pm

Or cantilevered out over the river with a glass floor?

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Re: Upper Mississippi -- No Locks For You

Postby Anondson » June 13th, 2015, 4:19 pm

Related, but now that the Upper locks are sealed, there is minimal economic use for the next two locks down river either. Why not return the rapids that the Mississippi naturally has?

http://www.startribune.com/how-about-a- ... 307262171/

I'm all in. I want it now. I think having the longest rapid in a major city in the world is a worthy thing. We would never submerge it today.

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Re: Upper Mississippi -- No Locks For You

Postby seanrichardryan » June 13th, 2015, 4:51 pm

I like the tranquil pool and white sand beaches of the lower river now. And the fact that I'm considering joining the Mpls Rowwing Club has nothing to do with it. :)
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Re: Upper Mississippi -- No Locks For You

Postby Gman12 » June 14th, 2015, 3:46 pm

They put in some sort of wall and opened both doors to let water flow through.

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Re: Upper Mississippi -- No Locks For You

Postby Silophant » June 15th, 2015, 9:37 pm

Anondson wrote:Related, but now that the Upper locks are sealed, there is minimal economic use for the next two locks down river either. Why not return the rapids that the Mississippi naturally has?

http://www.startribune.com/how-about-a- ... 307262171/

I'm all in. I want it now. I think having the longest rapid in a major city in the world is a worthy thing. We would never submerge it today.
I'd be for that. The loss of the hydropower would be unfortunate, but 17MW is pretty much a drop in the bucket. The person quoted is entirely full of crap when she says that's good for 30,000 homes. For comparison, 17MW is about 6 wind turbines like the one at UMore park, or 3% of the Monticello nuclear plant.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis General Topics & Development Map

Postby grant1simons2 » September 23rd, 2015, 3:20 pm

Couldn't really find a thread specifically for the Waterworks project, so I'll post it here

http://minneapolisparksmn.iqm2.com/Citi ... nline=True (check page 21)

The Waterworks plan is hopefully going to approved tonight by the MPRB.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis General Topics & Development Map

Postby trigonalmayhem » September 24th, 2015, 8:46 pm

I do not understand why the design seems to think everyone biking across the stone arch bridge is continuing west on the river road trail. The design seems to be actively blocking any connection from the bridge to the street grid of downtown east (where there are important north south bike connections on park/portland.

I really hope that gets addressed before they finalize the plans because it's dumb. Having to detour an extra two blocks west before cutting back through that underpass and fake woonerf is asinine.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis General Topics & Development Map

Postby grant1simons2 » September 24th, 2015, 9:42 pm

As someone who bikes it every single day, the design is making the connection to the streets of downtown east much easier.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis General Topics & Development Map

Postby trigonalmayhem » September 25th, 2015, 6:36 am

Did you see the fence and curb to keep you from cutting south where the bridge currently ends? I don't see how that's better.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis General Topics & Development Map

Postby twinkess » September 25th, 2015, 6:54 am

Yeah I'm confused. It looks like this will make it much harder to access the bridge from DTE

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis General Topics & Development Map

Postby MNdible » September 25th, 2015, 8:55 am

Looks like we discussed it in more detail in this Minneapolis Riverfront thread. Probably a good place to move this conversation.

Regarding the bike paths, the presentations I've seen (not sure how current they are) show an opportunity for bikes to cut back shortly after crossing the bridge. The trick here is that they're trying to make a community gathering place, and having a commuter biking trail slicing through the middle of it isn't that great for any of the other users. Sort of like having Portland cut through the Commons.

EDIT: Here's a link to a presentation from late 2014 that shows the circulation around the site. See especially slides 10 and 20.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Riverfront

Postby grant1simons2 » May 11th, 2016, 1:26 pm

The lock observation deck reopens this summer! Tours and bathrooms come with too!

http://www.startribune.com/upper-falls- ... 379011401/

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Re: Upper Mississippi -- No Locks For You

Postby twincitizen » October 17th, 2016, 2:49 pm

News about the First Ave amphitheater at Upper Harbor Terminal moved here: https://forum.streets.mn/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3637

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby grant1simons2 » January 25th, 2017, 5:26 pm

Updated renderings of 'The Falls'

http://www.vjaa.com/#/the-falls/

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby Nathan » January 25th, 2017, 6:38 pm

This is stunning. The activation of the spaces, the new portage for kayaks, in combination with the above the falls are and mill ruins, is going to make this area a total destination.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby matthew5080 » January 25th, 2017, 8:25 pm

Dumb question, but where does this planned transformation stand in becoming a reality? Overall, it looks absolutely amazing to me.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby grant1simons2 » January 25th, 2017, 8:26 pm

Looks like they're actively updating the site! So there's even more renderings from after the time I posted. This one is probably my favorite though. Hopefully there will be actual seating in there, would be a great study space!

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... rmat=1500w

(It couldn't determine dimensions)
Dumb question, but where does this planned transformation stand in becoming a reality? Overall, it looks absolutely amazing to me.
https://mplsparksfoundation.org/projects/water-works/


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