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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby twincitizen » December 4th, 2012, 10:32 pm

Haha, yeah it predictably went south. One person claimed that all these projects received government funding, then all of the sudden it was true because this is the internet.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby FISHMANPET » December 4th, 2012, 10:33 pm

Yep, now I'm angry at humanity again. What blows my mind is that people hang out on the comment sections enough that they recognize each other like we do on this forum.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby mplsjaromir » December 5th, 2012, 9:08 am

Now that retirement homes have computers, newspaper comment sections are particularly noxious.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby Viktor Vaughn » December 5th, 2012, 1:46 pm

FISHMANPET wrote:Yep, now I'm angry at humanity again. What blows my mind is that people hang out on the comment sections enough that they recognize each other like we do on this forum.
I completely understand how reading Strib comments can cause a thinking person to lose faith in humanity. Sometimes I just don't have the time or energy to engage. Unfortunately, the newspaper online comments may be about the closest thing we have to a public square, a civic place where ordinary citizens can debate ideas. You could make a case that newspaper comments are pretty inconsequential and any effort to engage the low-information blowhards found there is futile. You may be right. But it's also possible that our community looks to the comments to help them process and interpret news. At times a correct-sounding argument built on a logical fallacy will get an overwhelming positive reaction only to be followed by a well-written rebuke that argues the exact opposite, and also gets a overwhelmingly positive reaction. This suggests to me that average readers have not thought through many issues and remain persuadable (particularly on non-partisan topics).

A few years ago, any article mentioning light rail or bicycling was immediately swarmed by exurban-types complaining about big-city socialists eviscerating their god-given freedoms. Lately, the comment threads on these subjects have gotten a lot more civil and sensical. This is due in no small part to informed commenters patiently debunking the myths and false arguments made again and again (a shout out here to Chief Wiggum, who I suspect is a contributor to this board).

I think attention to newspaper comments may have helped to defeat the two constitutional amendments last month. The ID amendment was supported by over 80% of Minnesotans when they began polling the issue. The amendment made sense to many people on its face, but comments explaining the motivations and consequences in more uncertain terms than a "balance-seeking" media did, may have helped change enough minds for defeat. And nobody was more organized than the gay community in the last election. Part of that was dominating the comments of every article and editorial on the subject with considerate, well-written comments explaining what the amendment meant to them. Had they not done this, the vacuum would have been filled by hating Bachmann types.

It's great to read Urbanmsp where all, except an occasional troll, are interested in building a better community. But, we run the risk of hiding out in an enclave and not considering ideas from outside the echo-chamber. This is one way the internet has allowed us to become increasingly polarized.

So to tie my much too-long comment back to downtown develop and all the issues this board is concerned with. I would encourage board users to engage with the wider community (including on the Strib comments) to promote your ideas of how the city ought to change. To see how the threads can be different, go read the comments on today's Union Depot article. The same old bullshit was cut down quite convincingly.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby nasa35 » December 5th, 2012, 5:26 pm

excuse me while I puke.

Typical here:

Suburbanites - ignorant wahoos.

City folk - tolerant, heavy thinkers.


Wow, wow, wow. the arogance is astounding here at times.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby twincitizen » December 5th, 2012, 6:35 pm

Well it's a thing we have people like you to put us in our place.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby Viktor Vaughn » December 5th, 2012, 8:43 pm

Well I suppose if you're the type who likes to write all caps screeds about choo-choo's on newspaper websites you could be insulted by my comment. But I know better than to broadly paint suburbanites with that brush.

My point was simply to encourage those on this site to offer their informed opinions on the Strib website, rather than accept (and avoid) the low level of discourse found in those comments.

Do you disagree with the notion that Star Tribune comments are often irrationally negative about anything related to Minneapolis?

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby min-chi-cbus » December 6th, 2012, 8:42 am

nasa35 wrote:excuse me while I puke.

Typical here:

Suburbanites - ignorant wahoos.

City folk - tolerant, heavy thinkers.


Wow, wow, wow. the arogance is astounding here at times.
You portrayed that to a "T"!!!

It's ironic though, that on a City Forum like urbanmsp.com that people would favor urban living over suburban "living".....(see what I did there?)

I don't think it's possible to live in a metro like Minneapolis-St. Paul and truly loathe anything and everything "suburban", simply because so much of the metro is suburban in nature. But when it comes to conversations about city growth/prosperity, redevelopment projects, "choo choos", etc., like Viktor Vaughn I agree that not only the StarTribune but a lot of its comments goons would like nothing more than to see Minneapolis suffer and tend to spite the city. So you get a strong reaction to those types from people here on urbanmsp.com.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby jet777 » December 6th, 2012, 9:28 am

And just like newspaper comments section, two people managed to hijack a good thread!

Unsubscribe.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby Viktor Vaughn » December 6th, 2012, 9:53 pm

Oh, the irony! My appeal for exporting higher discourse kicks off ad hominem tit-for-tat right here on these pages. Apologies to the thread purists; focus has never been my strong suit. So, back to the topic at hand...

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby min-chi-cbus » January 2nd, 2013, 1:33 pm

Visualizer wrote:Here's a graphical representation of a part of your data.

FULL MAP


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MINN_DEVelopments_map_detail by -plasticboy-, on Flickr
I just saw this, and THAT is one great idea!!! I'd like to see that implemented to the full extent and possibly even replace the current method, or perhaps make them interchangable........you may commence. 8-)

Or is that everything?

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby Unity77 » January 3rd, 2013, 6:22 pm

I'm a bit curious as to why Nasa's post regarding the new towers was deleted? After all, didn't s/he claim to have some insider knowledge about the developments? Even though I don't buy it, I don't see his/her post being any different from the other speculative news posted elsewhere on this forum (i.e. a Wells Fargo campus).

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby Nick » January 3rd, 2013, 6:45 pm

It was all moved over to the rumors thread in the Anything Goes section, because I don't feel like "something is going to happen because I said it's going to happen and also I've said a bunch of things are going to happen over the past six years or so and they never do" is a great thing to lump in with proposed projects.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby Unity77 » January 3rd, 2013, 7:00 pm

Makes sense. Thanks.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby twincitizen » January 12th, 2013, 3:47 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyQkSyb20oI

Newish video from the MPLS Downtown Council. Thoughts?

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby 612transplant » January 13th, 2013, 12:52 pm

^^^ I'll let you know after I've recovered from the seizure...

in seriousness, two thoughts: 1.) Since when do we say "skywalks," instead of "skyways"? Didn't skyway make us different and cool??? 2.) Why are we using footage of Twins games in the metrodome???

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby NickP » January 13th, 2013, 2:57 pm

I agree 100%. I think there is WAY too much going on in that video.

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby Nathan » January 14th, 2013, 10:58 am

NickP wrote:I agree 100%. I think there is WAY too much going on in that video.
Because there is WAY too much going on in mpls.

But I was going to make a siezure comment as well.

Also... Neiman Marcus... Nick and Eddies... Twins at the Dome... how well do they know their Down Town?

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby mattaudio » January 14th, 2013, 11:07 am

Was it produced by an out of town production firm that flew in and walked around downtown without any input from a local?

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Re: Current & Proposed Downtown Minneapolis Projects

Postby Visualizer » January 15th, 2013, 6:25 pm

min-chi-cbus wrote:[quote="Visualizer"I'd like to see that implemented to the full extent and possibly even replace the current method, or perhaps make them interchangable........you may commence. 8-)
Can be accomplished. Are you a web developer?
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