Nicollet Mall

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby Chef » August 10th, 2018, 2:45 pm

twincitizen wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 1:50 pm
What really gets me is that the City (planners, Planning Commissioners, City Council) probably already knew all of these lessons in the late 90s when these buildings were being designed. I'm pretty sure people knew about good urbanism and storefronts before the 2010s, but these 3 buildings still got it so wrong. It's really frustrating.
These issues were being discussed and written about in the Strib back when those projects were in the planning stage. The city made a conscious decision to remove the storefronts and replace them with towers, knowing full well what it would mean for the mall. On the other hand this was in the immediate wake of the Murderapolis era, a lot of people still thought the city was on its way to becoming another Detroit/Cleveland style basketcase. They wanted the tax base those buildings would bring. Nobody knew that a huge boom in urbanism was right around the corner.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby MSPtoMKE » August 10th, 2018, 4:13 pm

kellonathan wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 2:28 pm
And even LaSalle! It's only a block west from Nicollet, but LaSalle always looks dead.
Yeah, LaSalle north of Grant is pretty sad. Being wedged between Nicollet and Hennepin, pretty much every building treats it as its backside to be ignored. The only thing even resembling an active use I can think of is the entrance to the DoubleTree Hotel. I live on LaSalle south of downtown, but I almost never walk on it north of Grant. Having to walk under the Loring Greenway doesn’t help.
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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby Oreos&Milk » August 13th, 2018, 5:04 pm

MSPtoMKE wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 4:13 pm
kellonathan wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 2:28 pm
And even LaSalle! It's only a block west from Nicollet, but LaSalle always looks dead.
Yeah, LaSalle north of Grant is pretty sad. Being wedged between Nicollet and Hennepin, pretty much every building treats it as its backside to be ignored. The only thing even resembling an active use I can think of is the entrance to the DoubleTree Hotel. I live on LaSalle south of downtown, but I almost never walk on it north of Grant. Having to walk under the Loring Greenway doesn’t help.
Agreed, they should elevate the Lasalle sidewalks into ramps (so it's wheelchair accessible instead of stairs at least on one side} to go Up to the greenway on both sides, and then make the tunnel for cars only. Which would make more room for a protected bike lane in the tunnel southbound only of course.


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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby NickP » August 14th, 2018, 7:34 am

^^ That’s a really cool idea! Thanks for sharing it. The only issue I can see is the need for access to the one apartment/condo building on Lasalle that has an entrance right before the Loring greenway tunnel.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby MNdible » August 14th, 2018, 8:39 am

Providing access from LaSalle up to the Greenway is a good idea. Forcing all pedestrians to ramp up to the Greenway is not a good idea.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby Silophant » August 14th, 2018, 9:24 am

Yeah, even if they're lightly used, there's definitely some people that take the sidewalk through the tunnel. So, ramp up and down on the west side of LaSalle, and leave the east side as is, which then maintains access to the condo building and hotel garage entrances.

As far as the protected bike lane goes, there's room for it as is - SB already has a lane with a 2' buffer, and NB has... a parking lane, which could be disappeared pretty easily.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby amiller92 » August 14th, 2018, 9:52 am

MSPtoMKE wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 4:13 pm
Yeah, LaSalle north of Grant is pretty sad.
One might even argue it's downtown's worst street: https://streets.mn/2015/01/08/the-worst ... nneapolis/

It's been rebuilt since then, and the bike lane is an improvement, but all the rest is still pretty much the same.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby MNdible » August 14th, 2018, 9:59 am

Also, people always always always underestimate how much space an ADA compliant ramp takes up. If the surface of the Greenway is 15' above the La Salle elevation, you need 300' of ramp to get up to it. That's basically a full downtown block.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby sanguinic » October 20th, 2018, 4:02 pm

Star Tribune's Streetscapes column proposes the return of a public artwork to Nicollet Mall:
http://www.startribune.com/a-famed-cald ... 498035371/

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby Oreos&Milk » October 21st, 2018, 10:27 pm

sanguinic wrote:
October 20th, 2018, 4:02 pm
Star Tribune's Streetscapes column proposes the return of a public artwork to Nicollet Mall:
http://www.startribune.com/a-famed-cald ... 498035371/
Wouldn't it be kinda cool if the sculpture garden donated a piece each year to a metro project? That way they could get in a new piece from a brand new artist. Would keep sculpture garden fresh and exciting. I mean Valley Fair does that a new ride every year or so. Plus the State Fair new food every year..

I know the artwork on the inside behind paywall is the main focus but still.. just a thought, I'm sure everybody would hate it.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby Didier » October 22nd, 2018, 5:58 am

Didn't the sculpture garden leave some stuff at Gold Medal Park? I'm pretty sure they're still there. The sculptures really added to the park.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby NickP » October 22nd, 2018, 9:24 am

They are still there, and, I agree, they do!

Oreos, I really like that idea.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby Silophant » November 5th, 2018, 9:47 am

There's a sign in the amphitheater saying that they're finally going to get around to installing Nimbus this week.

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby mamundsen » November 20th, 2018, 8:12 am

Is there an art installation happening across from the library? There is a massive something being built on scaffolding with lifts.

Answering my own question. It’s the installation of Nimbus.

https://nicolletmallart.org/blog-page/

In November, Nimbus, a sculpture by artist and architect Tristan Al-Haddad and the last public artwork for the new Nicollet will be installed in the forecourt of Central Library.

Constructed of weathering steel, the open elliptical form cantilevers over the Theater in the Round seating area. At night, Nimbus will cast a halo of light through perforations in its steel skin.
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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby Nathan » November 20th, 2018, 8:14 am

mamundsen wrote:
November 20th, 2018, 8:12 am
Is there an art installation happening across from the library? There is a massive something being built on scaffolding with lifts.
It's called nimbus, the previous post has a link to some info about it, looks pretty cool

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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby Multimodal » November 20th, 2018, 8:27 am

That looks totally cool.


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