The Commons - Downtown East Park

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby seanrichardryan » February 26th, 2015, 10:33 pm

Well, if we do intend this to be a real neighborhood with street-front restaurant and the like, having some access on the north face of those blocks for delivery trucks etc would be preferred, as well as all the *fabulous events planned by the Wilfs. That's not to say a woonerf wouldn't work.
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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby David Greene » February 27th, 2015, 2:00 pm

I was driving around here the other day and wondered if the jail would ever go away. If it did we'd have unobstructed views to city hall from the Commons -- except for the small apartment building being built on the west end.

It would be pretty needs to have a front (side) lawn of city hall stretch to the stadium. I wonder if we're going to regret those apartment buildings.

Of course I have no idea if the jail will ever go away, though St. Paul got rid of theirs so...

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby mnmike » February 27th, 2015, 2:10 pm

That jail is pretty new...

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby David Greene » February 27th, 2015, 2:19 pm

mnmike wrote:That jail is pretty new...
Sure, but what about 30 years from now. Will we be willing to tear down both buildings for a park?

Just proposing a thought experiment.

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby PhilmerPhil » February 27th, 2015, 2:26 pm

I dunno, I guess if we're somehow able to get rid of the jail, I'm sure we can find a way to get rid of a 6 story stick apartment building, no?

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby mattaudio » February 27th, 2015, 2:31 pm

David Greene wrote:I was driving around here the other day and wondered if the jail would ever go away. If it did we'd have unobstructed views to city hall from the Commons -- except for the small apartment building being built on the west end.

It would be pretty needs to have a front (side) lawn of city hall stretch to the stadium. I wonder if we're going to regret those apartment buildings.

Of course I have no idea if the jail will ever go away, though St. Paul got rid of theirs so...
I've brought this up many times, but nobody ever bites... the best solution for a western park wall and terminating vista would be to build housing on the eastern third of the jail block, which is supposedly just covered parking right now. That could be integrated into redevelopment. Jail stays, more housing, better park frontage. Wins all around.

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby HuskyGrad » February 27th, 2015, 2:32 pm

David Greene wrote:I was driving around here the other day and wondered if the jail would ever go away. If it did we'd have unobstructed views to city hall from the Commons -- except for the small apartment building being built on the west end.

It would be pretty needs to have a front (side) lawn of city hall stretch to the stadium. I wonder if we're going to regret those apartment buildings.

Of course I have no idea if the jail will ever go away, though St. Paul got rid of theirs so...
Excuse my question of history here. But, what existed on the blocks that the Hennepin Government Center resides on prior to its construction?

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby EOst » February 27th, 2015, 2:49 pm

HuskyGrad wrote:Excuse my question of history here. But, what existed on the blocks that the Hennepin Government Center resides on prior to its construction?
Here they are from above in 1938 (you can see City Hall in the upper right, south is bottom).

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby twincitizen » February 27th, 2015, 3:35 pm

Wow, quite a few cars and surface parking lots, even in 1938...

Sort of further off-topic, but also on-topic with regards to street operations/closures: Were all/most of the streets in that 1938 photo two-way streets?

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby min-chi-cbus » February 27th, 2015, 4:44 pm

mattaudio wrote:
David Greene wrote:I was driving around here the other day and wondered if the jail would ever go away. If it did we'd have unobstructed views to city hall from the Commons -- except for the small apartment building being built on the west end.

It would be pretty needs to have a front (side) lawn of city hall stretch to the stadium. I wonder if we're going to regret those apartment buildings.

Of course I have no idea if the jail will ever go away, though St. Paul got rid of theirs so...
I've brought this up many times, but nobody ever bites... the best solution for a western park wall and terminating vista would be to build housing on the eastern third of the jail block, which is supposedly just covered parking right now. That could be integrated into redevelopment. Jail stays, more housing, better park frontage. Wins all around.
That seems like a pretty bad place to build housing -- in case any inmates find a way to escape. I know my family would be hesitant to come visit me right next to a jail.

Otherwise I like your idea, but maybe it can be tweaked a little...

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby HiawathaGuy » February 27th, 2015, 4:48 pm

Nick wrote:Okay, hear me out.
Fun read. I hope it gains some traction. There has to be a better alternative!

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby web » February 27th, 2015, 9:20 pm

arent there 2 seperate jails and then a lockdown ward at hcmc all in the vicinity ?

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby contrast » February 27th, 2015, 9:55 pm

The Juvenile Detention Center (jail/prison) is the south face of the park between Portland and Park, and the Public Safety Facility (adult jail) is the northwestern face across 5th as well as the southern upper floors of the City Hall Courthouse overlooking the Government Center north plaza.

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby grant1simons2 » March 2nd, 2015, 9:21 pm

Would something such as this work for the 2 blocks of S 5th St? Between 5th Ave and Park?
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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby IllogicalJake » March 5th, 2015, 9:10 am

Is there a thread for the Wells Fargo buildings that I'm missing? Quick search didn't turn it up.

EDIT: nvm, thanks Peter :D
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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby FISHMANPET » March 5th, 2015, 9:21 am

Looks like it's already fallen onto the second page: https://forum.streets.mn/viewtopic.php?f=13& ... start=2220

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby Nathan » March 11th, 2015, 5:37 pm

This should probably go in anything goes... but I'm going to put it here because I think it's moderately relevant. And talk about good conversation about modern architecture and the urban context... and what makes a good public space. clearly there won't be this kind of money spent here for quite some time. but what a cool way to possibly connect the blocks or create a sense of space. Feel free to move if need be.

https://vimeo.com/121485557

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby MNdible » March 17th, 2015, 10:38 am

So, if the MLS does indeed go to the good doctor's Farmer's Market Stadium site, that should free up a bunch of the prime summer days that the Vikings potentially had the Commons on lockdown, right? This could actually be a game-changer in terms of the financial and functional viability of the park.

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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park

Postby Rich » March 18th, 2015, 7:10 am

But is the elimination of a few hundred thousand potential park customers an entirely positive development? MLS fans will want places to gather on game days. The Commons, and the retail establishments within and around it, would’ve served them well.


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