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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby mister.shoes » November 29th, 2014, 10:17 pm

EOst wrote:The obliteration of Gateway Park is possibly the biggest piece of vandalism here. The buildings are pretty, but at least they've mostly been replaced. That Park, though, could've become iconic of Minneapolis. Imagine this with all the towers of downtown shining behind it. Instead, we have this.
So... I'm not the only one who hates the way Nicollet was obliterated between Washington and Hennepin? I mean, Yamasaki's building at the end of the Mall is pretty and all, but the half-assed way that last triangle of land is treated sucks. Three-sided lots are awesome because they force creativity to make the best use of them. We've welded ours to a great big block and stuck a building (and stairs!) between Nicollet Mall and the river. Nice job, us. /s
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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby mattaudio » December 1st, 2014, 9:05 am

Yep. The Yamsaki building is a terminating vista, which by definition gives the sense that the corridor terminates. As in, terminates without connecting to the riverfront.

The easiest solution to undo some of this disgrace is to ensure a meaningful connection for the Nicollet Hotel block. Ideally some greenspace, along with the streetcar cutover, to draw people to Hennepin (and the north loop) coupled with calming of Hennepin to the riverfront (no need for 6-8 lanes in a stroad configuration).

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Postby seanrichardryan » December 1st, 2014, 8:25 pm

Since we're so far off-topic.... I always fantasized about putting the 'Temple of Nimes' on rollers and pushing it back onto the useless tiny parking lot behind it on Marquette to free up the ROW for Nicollet.
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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby Avian » December 1st, 2014, 9:09 pm

I'm not quite understanding the disappointment in the Yamasaki building. The building's portico is the gateway to a pedestrian "mall" that terminates at 1st Street. That pedestrian greenway with the fountain is an extension of Nicollet Mall, but without the bothersome traffic.

The real problem is the Post office parking ramp that disconnects this pedestrian mall from the river.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby twincitizen » December 1st, 2014, 9:31 pm

seanrichardryan wrote:Since we're so far off-topic.... I always fantasized about putting the 'Temple of Nimes' on rollers and pushing it back onto the useless tiny parking lot behind it on Marquette to free up the ROW for Nicollet.
I think I've made this very comment before. Though some like how the colonnade serves as the continuing vista of Nicollet Ave, it isn't and will never be public land. Moving it to the Marquette side is a cool thought experiment in that it would pave the way for returning the old Nicollet ROW to public ownership

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby mister.shoes » December 1st, 2014, 10:32 pm

Avian wrote:I'm not quite understanding the disappointment in the Yamasaki building. The building's portico is the gateway to a pedestrian "mall" that terminates at 1st Street. That pedestrian greenway with the fountain is an extension of Nicollet Mall, but without the bothersome traffic.
Thing is, it doesn't feel like it terminates at 1st Street. It feels like it terminates at Washington. Traversing those last two blocks on foot feels more than a little bit like trespassing. The stairs, the pools, the colonnade, the big stupid yellow traffic sign—all of it combines to say quite loudly that there is nothing to see/do/visit past Washington.
Avian wrote:The real problem is the Post office parking ramp that disconnects this pedestrian mall from the river.
The ramp sucks, no argument here.
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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby Avian » December 1st, 2014, 11:19 pm

Oh, sure that. Yes the "official" Nicollet Mall does terminate at Washington. But I've always seen the block between Washington and 1st as the park extension of the mall. Much like the Greenway to Loring as a southern extension of the Mall. As far as "nothing to see/do" past Washington, I'd argue that there hasn't been anything to see/do between 4th and Washington for quite some time anyway, apart from the Library. ;)

I think the existing gateway park is used by people far more frequently than the north end of the Mall itself. The Gateway Fountain is a destination. And I guess that's why I kind of think it is redundant to make the former Nicollet Hotel block into yet another park. This "superblock" that contains the Towers Condos and the Yamasaki building is really a nice respite from the busy traffic on Washington and Hennepin. In the summer you can hear kids playing in the Tower's pool and the grunts from players on the tennis courts from the wide pedestrian promenades. Having lived in the Churchill Apartments across the street, I considered this block to really be a formal park with 3 big buildings in it.

It's probably the closest thing we have to a successful example of Le Corbusier's ideal of a city in the park.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby twincitizen » December 2nd, 2014, 4:19 pm

Getting back to hotels, I've spent a lot of time browsing this lately: http://www.lileks.com/mpls/hotels/index.html
Oddly, in that article, Lileks failed to note that the Drake Hotel technically still exists today. Though far less grand than the others he mentions, he did chronicle it on his website. How crazy is it that the West Hotel was torn down in 1940, and NOTHING has been built on that site in the 75 years since?

It's super weird to me that some of the grand old hotels weren't torn down until the 80s or 90s, decades after "urban renewal" was supposedly over and the idea of historic preservation had taken hold. The Nicollet Hotel came down in 1991...I mean, what? Since the city did it with federal money earmarked for a transit hub, I suppose that can be counted as a sort of aftershock of urban renewal policies. But the Andrews in 1984? That one makes no sense, since the government wasn't involved. It was demolished for a privately-owned surface parking lot, and might finally be replaced with a similarly-sized hotel by next year.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby mattaudio » December 2nd, 2014, 4:36 pm

And Leamington was razed in 1990. Replaced with a fugly full-block municipal parking ramp.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby grant1simons2 » December 2nd, 2014, 4:53 pm

That's more saddening than seeing the old film of the Metropolitan building. I envy you who are old enough to see those buildings. Seriously.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby mnmike » December 2nd, 2014, 4:53 pm

He also oddly seems to not mention in the article that while the Radisson still exists in the same spot, that original building was torn down in the 80s. Or maybe I just missed it.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby MNdible » December 2nd, 2014, 5:33 pm

In another thread, I'm trying to mount an argument to preserve Nye's. It is much loved, and by all outward appearances, somebody should be able to make good money running it.

In this thread, I'll mount an argument that there wasn't much to be done to prevent these hotel demolitions. The 1980's were a different time. Unlike the Metropolitan Building, which was mostly leased and financially viable, many of these hotels (by this time) were thread-bare and functionally obsolete. They look charming to our eyes now, but 1980's Hennepin Avenue was a rough, sour place and these rough, unloved hotels weren't attracting many customers.

I wish as much as the next guy that we still had some of these beasts around, but I think it's pretty easy to condemn the demolitions without understanding the reality of the times. It's theoretically possible that these spots could have been saved, but nobody was stepping up to the plate to do the saving. As I recall, the most viable proposal to save the Nicollet was to renovate it into a giant homeless shelter.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby grant1simons2 » February 10th, 2015, 3:26 pm

119-room Holiday Inn planned in century-old downtown building

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/b ... y-old.html

Thank god... Now will they please take down the green awning?

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby Silophant » February 10th, 2015, 3:32 pm

Well, green is their color.

Also, good to see more midrange hotels.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby grrdanko » February 10th, 2015, 5:40 pm

What ever happened to the hotel proposed for the Plymouth Building?

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby Silophant » February 12th, 2015, 5:51 pm

Dead, probably?
grant1simons2 wrote:119-room Holiday Inn planned in century-old downtown building

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/b ... y-old.html

Thank god... Now will they please take down the green awning?
As of today, at least, that awning is gone. I don't know when it happened, though.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby Wedgeguy » February 19th, 2015, 1:29 pm

Thought the Holiday Inn project was on 2nd next to the Tri-Tech building in that old office building.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby HiawathaGuy » February 19th, 2015, 1:41 pm

Wedgeguy wrote:Thought the Holiday Inn project was on 2nd next to the Tri-Tech building in that old office building.
It is - I think this was just a misquote.

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Re: Downtown Hotel News

Postby Wedgeguy » April 13th, 2015, 5:07 pm

So what is the status of the Depot hotel addition? Is it just proposed or is there actual construction going on with this project? The Strib made it sound like it was going on , but last time I was by I saw nothing of the sort unless it was happening with demolition on the inside first.


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