North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby 5th Ave Guy » October 21st, 2016, 9:08 am

I had no idea that we actively discourage trees and / or grass in certain parts of the North Loop.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby Silophant » October 21st, 2016, 9:11 am

Nope. "This building will impede my ability to see other buildings" is not acceptable grounds for an appeal.
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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby bapster2006 » October 21st, 2016, 9:12 am

Draw a line from Jerrit's apartment at 618 Washington straight to downtown and what is right in the middle? There is your answer.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby twincitizen » October 21st, 2016, 9:46 am

"Residents of the North Loop are concerned that the 419 Washington Ave N. project will add more traffic issues on
Washington Ave. Since it has changed from a 4 to a 2 lane road, traffic has grown significantly."

Hmmm...I'm guessing he means "congestion" not traffic. I highly doubt traffic counts on Washington have increased. Likely flat or even decreased after the road diet, even with ongoing job growth in the area.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby 5th Ave Guy » October 21st, 2016, 10:10 am

"The following residents of 5th Avenue Lofts, 710 Lofts, 730 Lofts, Bookman Lofts, Harvester Lofts,
Hershel Lofts, and Tower Lofts are worried that the building is too large and not consistent with the surrounding
buildings."

Seems like he should be listing actual residents following this statement, no? I live in 5th Avenue and don't have any concerns with the project or know anyone in the building who does. I'm not speaking for everyone in the building, but he shouldn't be able to either.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby FISHMANPET » October 21st, 2016, 11:27 am

Hey, if you've got the time you should testify at the appeal, or at the very least write a letter stating that you're a resident of the listed building that doesn't agree with the appeal, so claiming that everybody in those buildings is supporting the appeal is disingenuous.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby MNdible » October 21st, 2016, 11:42 am

He does explicitly say "the following residents," so he's not saying all of the residents.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby FISHMANPET » October 21st, 2016, 12:00 pm

Does it ever give a list of residents? That reason for appeal is only 2 paragraphs long and as far as I can tell doesn't specify any residents, though it certainly implies that there is a specific list.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby EOst » October 21st, 2016, 2:28 pm

Maybe he submitted a list that wasn't scanned?

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby DanB » October 27th, 2016, 9:48 am

Appeal granted due to height.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby grant1simons2 » October 27th, 2016, 10:01 am

WHAT

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby nBode » October 27th, 2016, 10:35 am

good lord.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby mplser » October 27th, 2016, 11:08 am

fack

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby grant1simons2 » October 27th, 2016, 11:23 am

I have a very very very hard time believing this... Anyone else see It? I mean, come on.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby FISHMANPET » October 27th, 2016, 11:52 am

Just watched the tape, and yes, the appeal was granted.

Specifically it was an appeal of the HPC's certificate of appropriateness, on basis of the building being too tall. So I don't know what that means as far as next steps, would they have to back to HPC with a different design?

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby MNdible » October 27th, 2016, 12:23 pm

If I were wearing a Historical Preservation hat, I'd tend to agree that the building's scale and height aren't really appropriate for the area. It's going to be, what, twice the height of any of its immediate (historically protected) neighbors, right?

When you have a district that's historically protected, it's probably not great to have the most prominent structure in that neighborhood be a new building that's doing a half-assed job of pretending that it's an old building.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby nordeast homer » October 27th, 2016, 12:49 pm

You're not talking a 50 story building here. The fact that the Ford building is a block away makes that argument seem like a stretch.

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby mattaudio » October 28th, 2016, 10:46 am

Is there a way to appeal the appeal?

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby Nathan » October 28th, 2016, 10:59 am

Doesn't an appeal just mean it goes to the city council or something?

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Re: CPM North Loop Office Building - 419 Washington Ave N / 420 N 3rd St

Postby TroyGBiv » October 28th, 2016, 11:46 am

Appeal just sends it back for review and public feedback...


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