Alatus Residential Project - 228 South 12th Street (32 stories - ~348'/405')

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Re: Alatus Residential Project - 228 South 12th Street (32 stories - ~348'/405')

Postby MNdible » June 13th, 2018, 12:52 pm

nBode wrote:
June 13th, 2018, 12:07 pm
This tower is better designed than the Gateway. Kudos to Alatus—they are clearly the best developer in town.
That's apples and oranges. A truly mixed use tower like the Gateway is worlds more complicated than a simple apartment building.

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Re: Alatus Residential Project - 228 South 12th Street (32 stories - ~348'/405')

Postby nBode » June 13th, 2018, 3:00 pm

I'm talking about the design. I understand that mixed-use projects are more complicated—that doesn't excuse them of poor composition.

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Re: Alatus Residential Project - 228 South 12th Street (32 stories - ~348'/405')

Postby jtoemke » June 13th, 2018, 3:18 pm

nBode wrote:
June 13th, 2018, 12:07 pm
Kudos to Alatus—they are clearly the best developer in town.
Definitely agree.

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Re: Alatus Residential Project - 228 South 12th Street (32 stories - ~348'/405')

Postby MNdible » June 13th, 2018, 4:12 pm

nBode wrote:
June 13th, 2018, 3:00 pm
I'm talking about the design. I understand that mixed-use projects are more complicated—that doesn't excuse them of poor composition.
But those two things (design and composition) are very much related to the challenges of a mixed use project. The biggest difficulty is the vastly different floorplate requirements between the three major users. Add to that the need for completely segregated elevator cores for each major user. And while I think the plinth of the Gateway project is its biggest weakness, a review of the floor plans there show the astonishing number of competing and segregated users they are trying to accommodate there.

Don't get me wrong, I quite like the elegance of the Alatus project. But it's much easier to design a clean, unified design when you're starting with an extruded apartment floor plate.

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Re: Alatus Residential Project - 228 South 12th Street (32 stories - ~348'/405')

Postby nBode » June 14th, 2018, 2:54 am

True. It is easier.

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Re: Alatus Residential Project - 228 South 12th Street (32 stories - ~348'/405')

Postby alatusllc » June 20th, 2018, 6:45 am

Just to chime in here, these are all well and good points, but wanted to point out that design is not only driven by functionality but also economics. In practice, you should be realizing better economic yields with mixed-use than a single-use structure (assuming (1) it wasn't all residential in the first place, at this moment in time, and that (2) you started with essentially an office product/building in Minneapolis) and those economic yields should outpace the cost of the inherit complexity of the mixed-uses in the building that you are discussing. So, there should be something leftover to put into/onto the building to make it the Gateway project, regardless of the design driven by the functionality of the floorplates and complexity. But hey, we're not the developer on this one - I know this is a terribly complex project, obviously from the drawings and also from what I have heard in the grapevine. I hope that UP can pull it all together.

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Re: Alatus Residential Project - 228 South 12th Street (32 stories - ~348'/405')

Postby John » June 20th, 2018, 9:59 am

^^Having the stable and wealthy firm RBC sign on as anchor office tenant for The Gateway Project was a huge step in getting that project to move forward. I give UP a lot of credit for their perseverance in working out such a great proposal for this complicated site.

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Re: Alatus Residential Project - 228 South 12th Street (32 stories - ~348'/405')

Postby SurlyLHT » September 13th, 2018, 6:24 am

Does anyone remember when this was to break ground? I went through the posts and wasn't able to find my needle in a haystack. I recall reading that it was this time of the year. I live nearby and have been waiting to see barriers go up.


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