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Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby Silophant » June 27th, 2018, 9:39 pm

Whopper coming to the DMNA LUC meeting on July 10th.

A new mixed use development is proposed for the block bounded by Washington, 5th Ave, 3rd St, and Portland. It'll cover the entire 3/4 block that isn't the Crooked Pint/Eagle Bolt buildings, and include:

- 22-story, 250 unit multifamily tower with two levels of underground parking
- 312 space public parking ramp
- 6-story, 90 unit low-income housing wrapping around the parking ramp
- ~6,000 sf of retail/restaurant space at the corner of Washington and Portland
- replacement, expanded fire station integrated into the development.

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Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby Anondson » June 27th, 2018, 9:41 pm

Bigger Wednesday news than the return of Kitty Hall.

Which side will the 22-story be sited?

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby VacantLuxuries » June 27th, 2018, 9:48 pm

Man developers are really checking down all the boxes of my surface lot elimination wish list lately.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby Silophant » June 27th, 2018, 9:51 pm

That's all the info I've got, but I'd imagine that the tower will be on the Washington/Portland corner.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby MN Fats » June 27th, 2018, 11:57 pm

Wow! Exciting. Loving all of Washington getting filled in.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby Multimodal » June 28th, 2018, 5:03 am

*bangs fist on table*

But where will I park for 3-for-1’s at the Eagle Bolt on Fridays?!

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby Nathan » June 28th, 2018, 6:07 am

Multimodal wrote:
June 28th, 2018, 5:03 am
*bangs fist on table*

But where will I park for 3-for-1’s at the Eagle Bolt on Fridays?!
You should probably uber or lift to 3 4 1s... just saying lol.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby Qhaberl » June 28th, 2018, 6:25 am

This is awesome.

It’s great that the developer is willing to build low income housing, not just affordable housing. I would assume that this project wouldn’t break ground until next year, I think projects like these take awhile.




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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby Silophant » June 28th, 2018, 6:36 am

Almost certainly. They haven't even scheduled an appearance at the Planning Commission yet. I'd be shocked if they broke ground before April or May 2019.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby ko123 » June 28th, 2018, 7:11 am

The building code requirements triggered by a fire station at the base of a 22 story residential building ... seems tricky and expensive.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby FISHMANPET » June 28th, 2018, 7:23 am

How so? Fire stations don't regularly burn. It's just a big garage with some residential and office uses attached to it

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby Silophant » June 28th, 2018, 7:36 am

Looking at the email again, looks like it's a Planned Unit Development, so the tower, parking ramp/affordable housing, and fire station are likely separate but attached buildings. I doubt MFD would be cool with just not having a downtown fire station for a year and a half, so I'm expecting that the new station would be on the corner of 5th and 3rd and complete before demo of the existing one.

We'll find out more in a couple of weeks.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby HiawathaGuy » June 28th, 2018, 8:00 am

Amazing news! I noticed there were bore patches in the parking lot last Friday (when leaving 3-4-1s). Looks like the Subway corner building is owned by the same entity that owns the Crooked Pint/Caribou/Core Yoga building - so that likely won't be going either.

The Sawatdee surface lot at Washington & Chicago is also prime for something too - especially after seeing the Trader Joe's parking lot redeaux.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby BoredAgain » June 28th, 2018, 9:21 am

Silophant wrote:
June 27th, 2018, 9:51 pm
That's all the info I've got, but I'd imagine that the tower will be on the Washington/Portland corner.
This seems correct to me, especially if the alley ROW must be maintained. That would mean tower (with underground parking and base retail) at Washington and Portland, new fire station at 5th and 3rd (first building constructed), and parking/housing filling the rest of space and anchored at 3rd and Portland.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby SurlyLHT » June 28th, 2018, 9:52 am

Will this be about the same height as the Wells Fargo towers given that it's residential? Regardless it would be a skyline changer if built. It seems like the last vacant lots are being quickly snatched, however I'm wondering what all will get built before we go bust?

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby Qhaberl » June 28th, 2018, 10:56 am

SurlyLHT wrote: I'm wondering what all will get built before we go bust?

That’s what I’ve been thinking about as well. I was thinking about that in particular when I asked earlier if anyone thought this thing would break ground this year.

Maybe with all of the urban mobility technological changes that are coming, this apartment and residential boom will continue for a while.


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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby VacantLuxuries » June 28th, 2018, 10:57 am

I'm less worried about us hitting a capacity on demand than I am the economy self-immolating under current leadership.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby mattaudio » June 28th, 2018, 11:35 am

Related:
- The 3 is the only bus on 3rd St east of 5th Ave S.
- The contraflow transit lane on 4th St was eliminated between 9th Ave (Norm McGrew) and 5th Ave.
- The 4th St plan west of 4th Ave S does not plan to move towards two-way traffic :(
- 3rd St as a one-way don't serve any exclusive travelsheds entering the CBD (35W can use 5th Ave S, Hiawatha can use 7th St S, and Washington Ave Bridge can continue on Washington Ave).

Seems like this project would be a great time to consider:
- Returning 3rd Ave to two-way traffic, at least east of 5th Avenue S
- Planning to reconnect the 3rd St gaps (between 9th and 10th Aves, and eventually between 12th and 15th Aves) to strengthen neighborhood connectivity and encourage neighborhood development east of Chicago Ave.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby beige_box » June 28th, 2018, 12:03 pm

Qhaberl wrote:
June 28th, 2018, 6:25 am
It’s great that the developer is willing to build low income housing, not just affordable housing.
There's not necessarily any difference. Federally, HUD defines low-income as earning 80% or below area median income (AMI). For the Twin Cities, that's $71,900 for a family of four: https://www.huduser.gov/portal/datasets ... ummary.odn

Locally I'm not sure what the official definition is, but I often see "low-income" used to mean 60% AMI, which per Hennepin County is $56,580 for a family of four, or rents starting at $1062/month for a one-bedroom. Not only is that not any kind of common sense understanding of "low-income housing," that's actually higher than the average one-bedroom rent in the Twin Cities.

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Re: Washington and Portland Mixed Use - 22 stories

Postby HiawathaGuy » June 28th, 2018, 12:31 pm

mattaudio wrote:
June 28th, 2018, 11:35 am
Seems like this project would be a great time to consider:
- Returning 3rd Ave to two-way traffic, at least east of 5th Avenue S
- Planning to reconnect the 3rd St gaps (between 9th and 10th Aves, and eventually between 12th and 15th Aves) to strengthen neighborhood connectivity and encourage neighborhood development east of Chicago Ave.
I'm guessing making it two-way east of 5th Ave S would be tough, since 3rd Street one-way from the 35W interchange isn't going anywhere, and is divided as a one-way with 4th Street north of the stadium. Without significantly changing those streets east of Chicago (which is possible, in theory), it likely would be a tough sell, especially to the MSFC & the Wilfs. I suppose the two-way could end at Chicago, with a right turn to then use 4th - but is 3 blocks of a two-way really going to be worth it?


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