TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby COLSLAW5 » March 13th, 2019, 8:04 am

Not to change the topic but this references the T3 building and some of the renderings have wooden columns. Anyone know if this will be all wooden construction? T3 paved the way for that as it was the first mass timber building over 5 stories in the country at 7 stories. That building has an awesome interior. Mass timber itself is something we should be pushing as well because if done right it can reduce the carbon foot print of the construction of a building.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby mister.shoes » March 13th, 2019, 8:20 am

Given the name and "The simple material pallet of natural terra cotta, grey glass and heavy timber structure..." (emphasis added), I'm going to go ahead and assume it'll be mass timber, yes.
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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby 5th Ave Guy » March 13th, 2019, 8:27 am

Multimodal wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 7:34 am
Are building for today, or for the future?

How many parking spaces will this building need when SWLRT is built? aBRT?
Does SWLRT give people living downtown a viable option to commute out to... Eden Prairie for their job? It seems like that will help people commute that work downtown, not outside of it.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby Multimodal » March 13th, 2019, 8:30 am

5th Ave Guy wrote:
Multimodal wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 7:34 am
Are building for today, or for the future?

How many parking spaces will this building need when SWLRT is built? aBRT?
Does SWLRT give people living downtown a viable option to commute out to... Eden Prairie for their job? It seems like that will help people commute that work downtown, not outside of it.
Wait, aren’t you the person who said this?:
5th Ave Guy wrote:From my experience living in that neighborhood, there were a lot of working couples in my building that both worked in the burbs. Pretty much have to have two cars in that situation. We also had a child there for a while... also needed two cars.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby mamundsen » March 13th, 2019, 8:50 am

To change the topic off of parking... any chance the TMBR is supposed to be pronounced as Timber? Could they be planning to work wood into the construction or exterior?

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby Silophant » March 13th, 2019, 8:58 am

I would say, yes, definitely. Looks like it's going to be mass timber construction like T3.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby 5th Ave Guy » March 13th, 2019, 9:33 am

Multimodal wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 8:30 am
5th Ave Guy wrote:
Multimodal wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 7:34 am
Are building for today, or for the future?

How many parking spaces will this building need when SWLRT is built? aBRT?
Does SWLRT give people living downtown a viable option to commute out to... Eden Prairie for their job? It seems like that will help people commute that work downtown, not outside of it.
Wait, aren’t you the person who said this?:
5th Ave Guy wrote:From my experience living in that neighborhood, there were a lot of working couples in my building that both worked in the burbs. Pretty much have to have two cars in that situation. We also had a child there for a while... also needed two cars.
Are those posts contradicting each other? I'm questioning, in both posts, how much the light rail, or public transportation in general, helps people that live downtown commute to their jobs in the burbs. I never had to do it, but I always assumed it was pretty tough to do because getting dropped off and walking most likely isn't as easy on the reverse commute.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby Nick » March 13th, 2019, 1:09 pm

Multimodal wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 7:47 am
How many years do we have left until we hit the 2ºC temperature rise that is a tipping point for climate change—11 years?

How long will this building take to build? When will transit come online? How long will this building last?

Last year we were warned we had 12 years. Now we have 11 years. Next year… you guessed it, we’ll have 10 years.

Do we see a pattern here?
I mean, sure...but they’re not going to sell the units without parking.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby jtoemke » March 13th, 2019, 1:55 pm

I agree

City people park their cars and forget to touch them for a weeks at a time even though they have them. I think of it as more of a selling feature than as an indicator of lifestyle goals. Especially if they are moving to this building from a less urban environment and this is their first taste of car-lite living.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby alexschief » March 13th, 2019, 2:20 pm

Again—I'm not saying the city should deny all of these buildings unless they get rid of all their parking, rah rah rah. I know that's just not politically feasible. But I am saying that I think a lot of these buildings would do fine with 10%-20% less parking or maybe one fewer level of structured underground parking, however you want to conceptualize it. North Loop developments in particular seems to be building parking beyond what other similar areas nearby are doing, and I wish the city would more consistently be nudging developers to be doing better.

Okay, that's all I'll say about parking for this building. This is a great looking project.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby Anondson » March 13th, 2019, 2:29 pm

I really like getting more 10-story in North Loop. And yay timber towers.

This trench is shaping up nice. A new more spots to fill.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby dajazz » March 13th, 2019, 3:02 pm

alexschief wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 2:20 pm
Again—I'm not saying the city should deny all of these buildings unless they get rid of all their parking, rah rah rah. I know that's just not politically feasible. But I am saying that I think a lot of these buildings would do fine with 10%-20% less parking or maybe one fewer level of structured underground parking, however you want to conceptualize it. North Loop developments in particular seems to be building parking beyond what other similar areas nearby are doing, and I wish the city would more consistently be nudging developers to be doing better.

Okay, that's all I'll say about parking for this building. This is a great looking project.
Well it isn't really fair to call out the Archive parking ratios when they are adding capacity for the West Elm hotel across the street that won't offer any underground parking....

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby dillonfried » March 13th, 2019, 6:21 pm

It's still cause for celebration that with the 2040 plan Minneapolis has done away with parking minimums. Are we ready to impose parking maximums? It would be nice to be there but the transit infrastructure of the region needs to improve before that's more realistic.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby Multimodal » March 13th, 2019, 8:23 pm

Nick wrote:I mean, sure...but they’re not going to sell the units without parking.
Don’t GM & Ford say, “but no one will buy our cars if you raise the CAFE requirements”?

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby aeisenberg » March 14th, 2019, 10:18 pm

jtoemke wrote:
March 12th, 2019, 2:43 pm
I understand what you're saying. 100%. I'm just saying, as someone who works for developers, luxury condos (please note this is what we are talking about) are going to want high parking ratios.

I'd also like to note that the size of the units themselves (ie much less studios that we see in luxury apt buildings) and the square footage and number of bedrooms suggests family size or atleast couples, maybe many roommates. This makes the parking ratio seem higher because square footage to unit ratio is higher.

Overly simply example -
Building A - (5) 400 sf studios. 4 parking spaces. Parking ratio = 0.8 spots per unit.
Building B - (2) 1000sf 2 bedroom units. 4 parking spaces. Parking ratio = 2 spots per unit.

Both buildings are still 2000 sf but on paper, Building B looks much worse.

Think beyond the ratio.

EDIT - So really, parking sf to rentable area sf is much better indicator and maybe that should be something the city starts tracking.
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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby Multimodal » March 15th, 2019, 6:09 am

This.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/70346129 ... ate-change

We can’t keep doing the same thing.

We are Nero fiddling while Rome burns. (Yes, it’s apocryphal, but it makes a good story.)

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby MNdible » March 15th, 2019, 8:59 am

If obsessing over the number of parking spots in downtown apartment buildings is part of the solution to global warming, it is the tiniest part of the solution imaginable.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby Multimodal » March 15th, 2019, 9:24 am

The student protests are telling us:

A. We’re on the right track, or

B. We’re not doing enough?

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby QuietBlue » March 15th, 2019, 10:50 am

And yet, if the people who live in these buildings aren't willing to make the sacrifices that will really make a difference (i.e. not flying around the world for work or vacations, not having kids, etc), a few less cars won't matter that much. Those are just deck chairs on the Titanic by comparison.

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Re: TMBR - 100 3rd Ave N

Postby Multimodal » March 15th, 2019, 11:31 am

We’re too far along to cherry pick what we do.

We have to do everything.

As soon as possible.

The more we do, the more normal it becomes, and the easier (politically) it becomes.

Everybody has to internalize that we are all part of the solution. It’s not someone else’s job, or someone else’s project, or some other government entity’s job.


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