Hines Speculative Office Project - 350 N 5th Street

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Hines Speculative Office Project - 350 N 5th Street

Postby mulad » June 4th, 2012, 7:56 pm

When last we left our hero, I believe the city of Minneapolis had passed a conditional use permit for the Dock Street Apartments, and transit officials were finally beginning to raise a stink about clearance issues in the rail trench which also carries the Cedar Lake Trail extension. There was indeed a clearance problem, though it was only about 4.5 feet, ultimately. Hines, the developer, has basically decided to slightly rotate the building to find the needed clearance.

The Cedar Lake Trail will still go through the trench, but it'll gain a slight S-curve by the building.

Some more details in my post on the thread for The Interchange.

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby Didier » June 15th, 2012, 10:18 am

That's not good for anybody.

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby woofner » June 15th, 2012, 11:17 am

taifowikimica wrote:To wzajemne podtrzymywanie dobrego samopoczucia i francuskiej bezposrednio z tych mechanizmow szczegolowszej analizie marzen i upojen. I paradoksy nie spontaniczny poryw plomiennego zaru i przygladali sie to jemu zawdzieczaja spokoj i szczescie porucznik krafft wielkodusznie nie tylko najprostsze narzedzia ewangelicznego przepowiadania jako powszechnego pokoju i palil! Chrystologicznych i trynitarnych zarazem w samym tylko aleksander i ze wiem o jej takze i po korytarzu tam i nie spytal. Jeszcze zabarwionych duchem porzadku i mienia koscielnego oraz wlasny zespol depresyjny mozna rozumiec albo osiemdziesieciu efemerycznych cesarzy - bylo wejscie na regulowanie wielkosci nacisku zbrojnego stawiania tamy rozpowszechnianiu ksiazek drukowanych przewaznie decyduje ostatecznie sprawa pieniedzy przestala. A alicja nawet nie prosisz o nakazach
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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby FISHMANPET » June 16th, 2012, 2:12 pm

redisciple wrote:
taifowikimica wrote:To wzajemne podtrzymywanie dobrego samopoczucia i francuskiej bezposrednio z tych mechanizmow szczegolowszej analizie marzen i upojen. I paradoksy nie spontaniczny poryw plomiennego zaru i przygladali sie to jemu zawdzieczaja spokoj i szczescie porucznik krafft wielkodusznie nie tylko najprostsze narzedzia ewangelicznego przepowiadania jako powszechnego pokoju i palil! Chrystologicznych i trynitarnych zarazem w samym tylko aleksander i ze wiem o jej takze i po korytarzu tam i nie spytal. Jeszcze zabarwionych duchem porzadku i mienia koscielnego oraz wlasny zespol depresyjny mozna rozumiec albo osiemdziesieciu efemerycznych cesarzy - bylo wejscie na regulowanie wielkosci nacisku zbrojnego stawiania tamy rozpowszechnianiu ksiazek drukowanych przewaznie decyduje ostatecznie sprawa pieniedzy przestala. A alicja nawet nie prosisz o nakazach
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Huh? What is this? Why are you quoting something in Polish?

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby woofner » June 16th, 2012, 3:43 pm

That was a spambot that put up like 2-3 dozen posts yesterday morning. They were pretty epic posts with only like one or two links so I thought I would preserve some for posterity. I quoted maybe a quarter of the post.
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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby retiredbanker » July 21st, 2012, 12:26 pm

I'm not well-acquainted with the Dock Street project at all. However, I stumbled upon some conceptual designs from the Pickard Chilton website of the Hines project in the North Loop. Which I believe is part of the Interchange/Dock Street proposal. (Please correct me if I'm mistaken.). If this is an entirely different project, please let me know, I'll start a new thread for it then, or someone else can.
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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby retiredbanker » July 21st, 2012, 12:29 pm

I'll attach two more renderings from the Pickard Chilton website of the proposed project.
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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby spectre000 » July 21st, 2012, 2:13 pm

I'm betting those were part of Hines' original plans for what was to be North Loop Village, also formerly known as Twinsville (2006).

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby mulad » July 21st, 2012, 2:31 pm

Interesting but confusing renderings. Some of them show two towers, yet the first image in your second post only seems to show one. It's probably best to ignore the second, narrower tower shown next to the Ford Center, since that (and its adjacent sidewalk) would seem to go above the Interchange's intercity/commuter platforms.

But if I only look at the tower that's closer to downtown, then I begin to wonder why it isn't butted up right against the buildings that run along 3rd Ave North, like the Minikahda Mini Storage.

Everything seems to be placed wrongly here, but maybe they did that just for visual effect or something. I also dislike the drop-off area in front of the building.

It seems like some nice pieces are there, but I'd shuffle them around a bit.


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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby min-chi-cbus » July 21st, 2012, 5:37 pm

I wish! Seriously doubt something like that snuck up on us though, kind of like the 2900 Lyndale project.

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby Downtowner » July 21st, 2012, 7:18 pm

This looks nothing like the old North Loop Village renders I remember from the past… lots of brick as I recall and I don’t think any of the buildings were all glass as is the case here.

Did a little searching and I convinced myself this is the Hines proposal for the National Marrow Donor Program, which would make it recent. If you recall, their lease is up in their current HQ in 2015 and they’ve been looking for a more “visible” location, including a few options downtown.

The most recent Biz Journal article on this from March 2012 mentions the following:
The Minneapolis/St. Paul Business Journal reported previously that the NMDP was focused on two different sites near Target Field. One was proposed by United Properties at the site of Shapco Printing Inc. and the other was proposed by Hines Interests of Houston in the North Loop Village it is developing north of the ballpark.
Link to the article: http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/b ... roker.html

It also mentions that they are looking for 300k sq ft, with another 150k for future expansion. As luck would have it, the Pickard Chilton site has some information under the renders referencing the following:
  • - Anticipated occupancy in 2015
    - 490k gsf (awfully close to the stated 450k near and long-term need)
    - “Confidential” client (possibly NMDP?)
Seems like a match to me...

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby Tcmetro » July 21st, 2012, 8:30 pm

It would definitely be nice to have more offices near the downtown rail station. This could definitely improve ridership on the commuter rail lines. Maybe one day it'll be like in Chicago where there is a constant flow of people from the rail stations during rush hour.

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby John » July 22nd, 2012, 12:01 am

Hines concept would be a great addition to downtown. I think the introduction of a taller and more prominent building at this location would create a nice sense of focus and distinguish the North Loop as a more distinct district of downtown. And it would be nice to see some glassy buildings shake up the architectural mix of the area. Would add a whole new level of activity to an already vibrant and growing neighborhood.

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby Unity77 » July 22nd, 2012, 11:06 am

Minneapolis has become too conservative for this type of architecture.

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby Andrew_F » July 22nd, 2012, 11:35 am

Wow! Good find. My initial thought was that this was part of the old 2006 proposal, but looking more closely, I think this is something new!

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby seanrichardryan » July 22nd, 2012, 12:26 pm

Two towers with reflective glass surrounded by useless empty plazas. Are we in minnetonka?
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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby trkaiser » July 22nd, 2012, 1:52 pm

Do you have a link for these renders? They don't show for me (says I don't have permission to view) and I haven't been able to find them on the Hines site.

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby min-chi-cbus » July 22nd, 2012, 2:01 pm

Unity77 wrote:Minneapolis has become too conservative for this type of architecture.
I agree. I see someone (probably from an renter, too) complaining about not being able to view Target Field from their window anymore, or something lame like that. That, or this won't fit with the "historic character of the neighborhood". Yes, we've become THIS pessimistic when it comes to new development proposals anymore that sound too good (or big) to be true!

Otherwise, I'd be stoked to have something like this downtown, let alone North Loop!!

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby min-chi-cbus » July 22nd, 2012, 2:07 pm

seanrichardryan wrote:Two towers with reflective glass surrounded by useless empty plazas. Are we in minnetonka?
This city could use a LOT more plazas IMO....it doesn't have enough of them. There aren't many good public spaces in the city and a plaza is the next best thing to a park.

I conted 28 floors on the taller of the two buildings -- 28 floors is usually 450K SF.....so what would the OTHER building be?

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Re: Dock Street Apartments

Postby Nick » July 22nd, 2012, 3:06 pm

min-chi-cbus wrote:
Unity77 wrote:Minneapolis has become too conservative for this type of architecture.
I agree. I see someone (probably from an renter, too) complaining about not being able to view Target Field from their window anymore, or something lame like that. That, or this won't fit with the "historic character of the neighborhood". Yes, we've become THIS pessimistic when it comes to new development proposals anymore that sound too good (or big) to be true!

Otherwise, I'd be stoked to have something like this downtown, let alone North Loop!!
You're being hysterical.


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