IDS Center

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Re: IDS Center

Postby maxbaby » February 25th, 2014, 3:05 pm

IDS Center plans $20M in improvements according to Finance and Commerce...behind paywall.
http://finance-commerce.com/2014/02/ids ... rovements/

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Re: IDS Center

Postby Silophant » February 25th, 2014, 4:13 pm

What I'd like is a publicly accessible restroom. Even if it's only open for the hours the Crystal Court is. If Minneapolis really wants downtown/Nicollet Mall/Mile to be a place where people go to spend time, there needs to be a public bathroom besides the Library.

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Re: IDS Center

Postby PhilmerPhil » February 25th, 2014, 4:26 pm

Random/off topic:
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.97674,- ... yAM2rw!2e0
When did Macy's start covering their windows? Surely they kept them way back when, but what might have led to the decision to cover them? I would think more flexibility in store layout, but natural light seems like it has some inherent value.

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Re: IDS Center

Postby seanrichardryan » February 25th, 2014, 4:30 pm

It's been like that for years and years. There are a few open to the light, in the Oval Room and the Bridal area.
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Re: IDS Center

Postby min-chi-cbus » February 25th, 2014, 4:48 pm

Maybe it's like the casino and shoppers stay longer and spend more if they can't easily look outside and tell what time if day it is ? Perhaps also it ruins any interior lighting effects the store wants on it's merchandise.

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Re: IDS Center

Postby MplsSteve » February 25th, 2014, 9:30 pm

PhilmerPhil wrote:Random/off topic:
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.97674,- ... yAM2rw!2e0
When did Macy's start covering their windows? Surely they kept them way back when, but what might have led to the decision to cover them? I would think more flexibility in store layout, but natural light seems like it has some inherent value.
Back when the store was built in 1902 natural light was very important. Also merchandise was stored and displayed much differently. Nowdays stores almost always use perimeter areas for stockrooms. The windows look far better than they used to before the facade was restored in the early 1990's. At that time almost all of the windows were painted over.

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Re: IDS Center

Postby MNdible » February 25th, 2014, 10:56 pm

Within the past 10 years or so, they actually have re-opened a few of their windows to the street. For example, near the changing room by the women's lingerie. Don't ask me why I know that...

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Re: IDS Center

Postby Nick » April 22nd, 2014, 5:03 pm

http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/one-of-a ... -hedgecock

Which begs the question: How would he have felt about forum moderation?

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Re: IDS Center

Postby MSPtoMKE » April 22nd, 2014, 6:29 pm

Another fun fact, Johnson was gay. Don't know of too many other gay Nazi sympathizers.
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Re: IDS Center

Postby John » April 22nd, 2014, 7:22 pm

MSPtoMKE wrote:Another fun fact, Johnson was gay. Don't know of too many other gay Nazi sympathizers.
He was young and closeted as a Nazi sympathizer living in an extremely homophobic era. It's the classic Jungian projection of a person's shadow (of their psyche) to hide parts of yourself you don't like or are afraid of. It's similar scenario for a rabidly anti-gay politician who secretly cruises tearooms for gay sex. ;)

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Re: IDS Center

Postby TroyGBiv » April 22nd, 2014, 10:11 pm

This is just silly - it is much more complex than he was or wasn't a nazi. The real context for his statement about Nazi Rallies were about how the political group used the architecture to create specific environments and experiences for the audience… Albert Spear employed "monumentalism" across all of his work… they were built for drama, built to impress, built to create the belief that this buildings would last for one thousand years… another issue is that in the thirties many of the scientific, quasi-scientific, and the veiled of genetics or at that time, eugenics (which is now clearly understood as a horrific form of justification of genocide. Sadly, a lot of people outside of Germany bought into some of these beliefs early on… He later said "I have no excuse (for) such unbelievable stupidity... I don't know how you expiate guilt."
His being gay was, like for so many in the early 20th century, something very hidden, and very dangerous. But one thing that is very brave of him was that he lived with his partner for 45 years starting back in 1960. Still not an accepting time for gay relationships.
I'm just saying that it was far more complex and I am not sure that he was that different that many many of our politicians and corporate leaders…

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Re: IDS Center

Postby John » April 23rd, 2014, 2:00 pm

^^^Agree, he was young, naïve, and extremely closeted in his sexuality etc. There is historical context to the era he grew up in and how that shaped his thinking. People change as they get older and frequently have reconciled some of their psychological "baggage". Your perspective is different at 54 versus even 30 years old. If I remember correctly he designed the predominantly gay MCC Cathedral of Hope in Dallas as one of his last projects before he died.

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Re: IDS Center

Postby J2K » April 23rd, 2014, 2:02 pm

What does any of this have to do with the IDS Center?

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Re: IDS Center

Postby mplsjaromir » April 23rd, 2014, 3:13 pm

J2K wrote:What does any of this have to do with the IDS Center?
Johnson was the architect of the IDS.

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Re: IDS Center

Postby Didier » April 24th, 2014, 10:33 am

Did he have any thoughts on youth in Asia?

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Re: IDS Center

Postby mattaudio » April 24th, 2014, 10:42 am

Architect Philip Johnson wrote:Well, we have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.

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Re: IDS Center

Postby Wedgeguy » April 24th, 2014, 11:53 am

What does this conversation have to do with the IDS Center. Get off the soap box and deal with the building and not the architect's youthful ideas, bad as they may have been.

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Re: IDS Center

Postby IllogicalJake » April 24th, 2014, 12:38 pm

Wedgeguy wrote:What does this conversation have to do with the IDS Center. Get off the soap box and deal with the building and not the architect's youthful ideas, bad as they may have been.
I guess we need to branch off a thread titled "General Deceased Nazi Architect Discussion" if we'd like to spend a few posts discussing the building's architect being in the news. I mean, we're up to 6 posts about the architect (when you don't count posts complaining,) so this is clearly out of hand.
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Re: IDS Center

Postby mattaudio » April 24th, 2014, 12:46 pm

I think some of us were already making fun of the direction this thread had gone, but with references that may have been obscure.

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Re: IDS Center

Postby mattaudio » August 29th, 2014, 2:17 pm

Wow, this 1972 photo makes it clear how much the IDS changed the skyline. Maybe keep this photo in your back pocket the next time someone says a tall building will stick out like a middle finger. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... ?id=734838


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