Westminster Church

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby EOst » June 8th, 2016, 12:44 pm

I think this is news:
In addition, the applicant is removing all surface parking and has placed the new construction away from Marquette Avenue leaving an approximately 17,000 square foot open space that could accommodate a future expansion. The applicant states that they are proposing to structurally design the underground parking ground structure to accommodate a future expansion up to three stories in this open space area, thus potentially bringing the building closer to the zoning district’s minimum floor area requirement.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby lordmoke » June 8th, 2016, 12:45 pm

Must be great to have money and connections.

Any word on that affordable housing they were supposed to produce somewhere to offset all the units they destroyed for this?

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby acs » June 8th, 2016, 12:57 pm

lordmoke wrote:Must be great to have money and connections.

Any word on that affordable housing they were supposed to produce somewhere to offset all the units they destroyed for this?
:lol: :lol: Funny, you actually think they care about the community. People like Mark Dayton are members of this church, we'll need to tear down this affordable housing and build it... somewhere else.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby SuburbanTroll » June 10th, 2016, 2:28 pm


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Re: Westminster Church

Postby mplser » June 15th, 2016, 5:26 pm

so they want to build more affordable housing in a neighborhood that is already full of affordable housing, after removing it from a neighborhood with not enough affordable housing... yay....

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby SuburbanTroll » June 15th, 2016, 6:54 pm

I'm confused by your argument.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby acs » June 15th, 2016, 7:23 pm

They are pretty much the dictionary definition of Limousine Liberals.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby DTSB » June 16th, 2016, 12:12 pm

mplser wrote:so they want to build more affordable housing in a neighborhood that is already full of affordable housing, after removing it from a neighborhood with not enough affordable housing... yay....
In my opinion there is quite a bit of affordable housing close to Westminster: Loring Towers, Nicollet Towers, Maryland Apartments.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby SuburbanTroll » June 16th, 2016, 2:54 pm

So, I'm still confused. Westminster shouldn't have replaced the affordable housing that they tore down in their neighborhood and shouldn't be engaged in creating new affordable housing in downtown Minneapolis? Seems to me like "workforce housing" is a particular area of interest to downtown planners, and Westminster seems to be addressing a need. Is the median income of Westminster members your bete noire? If so, that can't be walked back. . .

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby twinkess » June 17th, 2016, 9:00 am

Demo of office building:
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This is part of the Church project, right?

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby bapster2006 » July 5th, 2016, 4:18 pm

1221 Nicollet Mall is coming down

Image1221 Nicollet Mall demolition Minneapolis 7-5-16 by Matt Bappe, on Flickr

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby seanrichardryan » July 5th, 2016, 4:39 pm

Goodbye density, hello church parking.
Q. What, what? A. In da butt.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby SuburbanTroll » July 5th, 2016, 8:59 pm

You're clearly unfamiliar with the church's plan for this parcel. Your ignorance is showing through in your "comments."

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby Silophant » July 5th, 2016, 9:58 pm

That's probably true. Care to alleviate our ignorance?

If not, all we can comment on is what we see, and what we see is dense daily uses like low-income housing and office space being leveled and replaced with less-dense occasional uses like Sunday car storage and event space.

It's certainly the church's right to do whatever they want with their property, but it's also our right to express our concern on the internet.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby mattaudio » July 6th, 2016, 9:01 am

Not to mention the tens of thousands of dollars in annual property tax receipts that are being demolished along with this structure.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby mnmike » July 6th, 2016, 9:19 am

The new plan at least doesn't have surface parking, right? Or significant surface parking? At least this should look nice when done, if nothing else. I hope the green space is well maintained, and semi public like their other space.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby SuburbanTroll » July 6th, 2016, 11:38 am

I enjoy this site for its pro-development bent. Here the argument seems to be that Westminster should have preserved an ugly surface lot, a generic glass curtain office building that was underutilized, and a stucco-clad rundown apartment building. Instead, they've ignored the NIMBYs, demolished the outdated structures, relocated the low income tenants into new affordable housing, built even more affordable housing units (including workforce housing in downtown Minneapolis) and eliminated a surface parking lot. What's wrong with this picture?

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby amiller92 » July 6th, 2016, 12:04 pm

There was no surface lot until they tore down the housing that used to be there. You don't get credit for replacing a surface parking lot your actions created (btw, while there was ostensibly a ban on new surface parking lots).

If the housing was rundown, well, they owned it, so, who's fault is that?

Now they're tearing down on office building to build a parking structure and some event space.

And you don't get why that's annoying?

It's great they are doing good things elsewhere - and this does seem like a great, progressive congregation, to the extent an outsider can tell - but they're making the south end of the mall significantly worse for the public for the private benefit of their members. That deserves some scrutiny, even if only on the interwebs.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby mattaudio » July 6th, 2016, 12:51 pm

SuburbanTroll wrote:What's wrong with this picture?
I've never heard such an impassioned defense of lowering the F.A.R. of a parcel below minimum standards prescribed in zoning, adding parking above maximum standards prescribed in zoning, and other land use atrocities.

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Re: Westminster Church

Postby Mdcastle » July 6th, 2016, 1:25 pm

What would be a better outcome that still results in the church getting the event space they need? The church leaving the office building alone and moving somewhere else to a place that has it or it can be built, and selling the existing building to a smaller church or someone that wants to re purpose it? I'm assuming that if it was possible to remodel the office building they would have thought of it and done so.


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