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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby Didier » July 23rd, 2012, 4:37 pm

To be sure, I don't think anybody is advocating that downtown rid itself of chain retail. The larger point is to grow retail organically rather than trying to create faux shopping malls meant to attract people from the suburbs.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby seanrichardryan » July 23rd, 2012, 5:02 pm

Ha! An Apple store facing Nicollet would certainly add some vitality.
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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby John21 » July 23rd, 2012, 5:16 pm

Has downtown retail ever done anything to promote itself as a whole?

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby sushisimo » July 23rd, 2012, 6:10 pm

John21 wrote:Has downtown retail ever done anything to promote itself as a whole?
Not since the formation of Holidazzle, I think. Other than that, there's the Downtowner coupon flyer :| .

It's disheartening to see Uptown, Southdale and MOA get stores I'd love to see downtown. The most recent knife twisting in the chest was Uptown getting CB2. But downtown is so stale right now, I don't blame these stores for wanting to locate in an area that has momentum in attracting likely stores and traffic. I wonder how long and what stores taking a risk it will take before downtown retail gets to a positive tipping point again. We're doing well with groceries at least. Viva la potatoes.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby writruth » July 23rd, 2012, 10:29 pm

I have to echo the general disappointment in today's gloomy retail news. There's really been a marked erosion of retail stores in downtown Minneapolis over the past 20-25 years. The failure of The Conservatory and the "Chernobyl of Minneapolis retail" City Center have proven toxic. However, I'm not as convinced we will see a pronounced boom in retail in the next 15 years. The idea of a Best Buy opening a downtown storefront is unlikely. They had their chance years ago at the company's peak and declined. Now the company is scrambling to survive.

There's just no real buzz, that makes the downtown scene alluring enough to draw the droves of folks MOA draws in a day. City leaders need to emphasize the many positive attributes of downtown living, dining, entertainment, retail and build the area as a destination location.

C'mon Minneapolis! Enough has gone against us on our local sports scene and in retail. Time a blockbuster development or two to be put forward. We need a game-changer to get back onto the national radar.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby John » July 23rd, 2012, 11:55 pm

The "game changers" could be a dramatically renovated Block E and City Center if we could get some decent developers and land owners with some guts and savvy. The developers around these days (Magellan and Bob Lux the major exceptions) are timid and spineless. The city should make these two complexes a priority to get redeveloped. And we need beat cops 24/7/365 downtown to patrol "hot spots". And Nicollet Residences should include a hotel to be 40-45 stories, not shrunk to 27 stories! :x

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Downtown Retail News

Postby Nick » November 17th, 2012, 5:04 pm

Looks like something's happening in that street level space next to Target.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Aville_37 » November 17th, 2012, 5:54 pm

Nick wrote:Looks like something's happening in that street level space next to Target.
The one that formerly was a shoe/clothing store, with a focus on Bob Marley?

I still wish the storefronts on Lasalle would be leased out, at least for dental offices, etc.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Aville_37 » November 17th, 2012, 6:00 pm

On the subject of retail as a whole - I wish during the holidays downtown and City Center/Gaviidae would spend a bit more money/effort on making downtown a festive place to be . City Center and Gaviidae could use some different holiday decorations, etc.

Also - how about a Holiday Village on Peavey Plaza, Government Plaza or the surface parking lot north of the library - similar to Chicago's German Christmas Village on Daley Plaza. However, I would change it to a Scandinavian theme, or cross-cultural winter holiday theme. It would have little stalls selling gifts and food.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Nick » November 17th, 2012, 6:35 pm

Aville_37 wrote:On the subject of retail as a whole - I wish during the holidays downtown and City Center/Gaviidae would spend a bit more money/effort on making downtown a festive place to be . City Center and Gaviidae could use some different holiday decorations, etc.

Also - how about a Holiday Village on Peavey Plaza, Government Plaza or the surface parking lot north of the library - similar to Chicago's German Christmas Village on Daley Plaza. However, I would change it to a Scandinavian theme, or cross-cultural winter holiday theme. It would have little stalls selling gifts and food.
I would spend at least a month's pay on stupid Holiday knicknacks if they were presented to me in village form.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Minneapolisite » November 17th, 2012, 7:51 pm

Retail just isn't a strength in many downtowns: why force it? Hell, in Chicago when people think shopping they think Michgan Ave: north of The Loop. After all, how many of you guys are shopping at existing retail stores like Martin Patrick 3 or Askov Finlayson? Yes, I had to look up the spelling. I'm not shopping there and Downtown doesn't come to mind when it comes to shopping for pleasure (unless a Zara opens here). I have the Target and Lund's for utilitarian needs along with a Barnes & Noble and Len if I see something interesting and affordable. Downtown's strength is in its destination factor whether it's restaurants and bars or more special event destinations like the theatres. This being the case, it should build on its strengths and small things like restaurants, bars, etc which should be the focus since they don't cost a billion dollars to draw a crowd and they do so on a regular basis, not just during a sports season or the occasional large convention and likewise don't have the track record of being consistent big time economic losers. Someone mentioned LaSalle and it made me think more of Harmon which is mysteriously empty and I always wonder why that's the case whenever I head through there. It would be a great place for a chill bar with $1 swill beer cans, some microbrews and limited late-night menu w/ vegan options with a policy of no top 40. :ugeek: If someone opens that, then Harmon will be on peoples' radar and I along with several other Loring Park residents will have a new place to frequent that's within easy biking/waling distance. A new retail spot? Not so sure it would have the same effect.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby FISHMANPET » November 17th, 2012, 9:33 pm

I'd love if the kinds of shops that were at the Mall of America were also Downtown, but that's not likely to happen. It looks like Uptown has much more of a chance of being our Michigan Avenue. But I don't think Minneapolis is ever going to be a shopping destination the way Chicago is.

Quite frankly I've got pretty low hopes for high end retail in the Twin Cities. I think our fashion culture is more hipster than high end, so high end clothing (and really, what other kind of retail is there in the grand scheme of things?) doesn't stand much of a chance.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Aville_37 » November 18th, 2012, 12:54 pm

Nick wrote:
Aville_37 wrote:On the subject of retail as a whole - I wish during the holidays downtown and City Center/Gaviidae would spend a bit more money/effort on making downtown a festive place to be . City Center and Gaviidae could use some different holiday decorations, etc.

Also - how about a Holiday Village on Peavey Plaza, Government Plaza or the surface parking lot north of the library - similar to Chicago's German Christmas Village on Daley Plaza. However, I would change it to a Scandinavian theme, or cross-cultural winter holiday theme. It would have little stalls selling gifts and food.
I would spend at least a month's pay on stupid Holiday knicknacks if they were presented to me in village form.

Only a month's pay? LOL.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Minneapolisite » November 18th, 2012, 1:26 pm

Funny, I'd like to see a hipster-ish clothing shop Downtown that's not too spendy. As for high-end retail, what about Martin Patrick 3 and Askov Finlayson? $200 shirts and jeans is what I'd consider high-end, but then maybe I'm just poor. The only way chains will open is if some independent clothing shops open which compliments the high-end retailers you're looking for. If not, at least you'll have an excuse to go to Chi-town or NYC. Or MoA:.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Wedgeguy » November 18th, 2012, 2:49 pm

Do I see downtown retailing changing in the next 5 years, YES!! But it will not be a north Michigan Ave type, but more a South State Street as we seem to like to reference Chicago. True, "Needless Mark up" is closing soon, but that leave a space open for a real customer service store like Nordstroms or Von Maur to go in and take their place. THere are people who like and EXPECT that kind of service that you used to get at Daytons Years ago.

AS far as the skyways I still see them as mainly as service, convenience, and food locations. IF there are going to be any main retail mass it would be in the 2 Gavidee and City Center. But until the east end of City Center facing Nicollet is made appealing to people and not look like a world war II bunker/bomb shelter will that shopping area gain much in shopping. The whole lower base of City center at street level need to be made to feel inviting. Do you hear us Shorenstein!! There will be how many new residential units going up in a 1 mile radius of 7th and Nicollet. These people will have good disposable incomes and I'm sure not that interested in taking the Blue line out to MOA to do their shopping. There are still people that like to do lunch or supper and shop while out and about doing that. Remember to always look at the past when looking to the future. We have had good retail in the past. THe recession took a blow to many retailers here and across the country. The city need to do a better job at marketing downtown as a place to come to shop, eat, and see entertainment. The building owners too need to put forth some effort to get people to go thru their buildings. IF their building has nothing in it, why would I waste my time walking through there.

I never thought the food trucks would be something that people would go out side for. But guess what, you have skyway places upset because people will go outside for great food and a variety of food. This holds true for retail stores also. Why would I drive out to the burbs to a mall for what I can walk to? On a weekend, I could go out shopping and then do lunch at Oceanaire or Ike's which I could not do out at Ridgedale or Rosedale. There are people that come to the city for entertainment. Why not come early and do a bit of shopping and then supper before a concert or play. Shopping areas need to be appealing and a must see destination to truely draw people into them. We can hope that with a strengthening economy that we will see things happen as far as retail and we will see the retail nodes here in MPLS get the boost they need. IMO!


Just got back from a walk through the Uptown retail area. I remember not too long ago when Uptown was on the verge of being considered a consumer ghosttown. THe Gap was closing, vacant store fronts along various streets. You could setting up bowling in Calhoun Square and bowl a ball with no fear of hitting anyone.

Now we have H&M putting in a two level store in Calhoun Square, Timberland is also in there. Down the street we have Jonathan Adler, Roam and other furniture places. Restraunts are making a comeback and increasing in numbers all along Lake Street, all the way down to Lyndale. So what was once thought to be close to needing Last Rights, is now kicking and screaming with a new found energy. It is people that are willing to lead and start the revolution that will come out on top as they will start out with the lower rents and see the come latelies having to pay more to join in the new progress. Look at the North Loop as an example also.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Minneapolisite » November 18th, 2012, 5:14 pm

Wedgeguy wrote:I never thought the food trucks would be something that people would go out side for. But guess what, you have skyway places upset because people will go outside for great food and a variety of food. This holds true for retail stores also.
So what Mpls needs are fashion trucks. I wouldn't mind that myself.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby FISHMANPET » November 18th, 2012, 11:03 pm

Minneapolisite wrote:Funny, I'd like to see a hipster-ish clothing shop Downtown that's not too spendy. As for high-end retail, what about Martin Patrick 3 and Askov Finlayson? $200 shirts and jeans is what I'd consider high-end, but then maybe I'm just poor. The only way chains will open is if some independent clothing shops open which compliments the high-end retailers you're looking for. If not, at least you'll have an excuse to go to Chi-town or NYC. Or MoA:.
I guess first to be clear, I don't make enough money to shop at any of these upscale stores I've never heard of those stores, and perhaps that's part of the problem. They're a different kind of high end retail I guess, more boutique. Also, I've been in Chicago since Wednesday morning so Chicago's on my mind.

If we want to make the Michigan Ave comparison, most of Michigan Ave is upscale chains. It's a tourist destination, and based on my experience in an enormous Burberry store, I think the stores there know it. Quite a bit of what's on Michigan Ave we already have at our own tourist shopping destination, MOA.

There's also quite a bit that isn't upscale, but on Michigan Ave is some kind of flagship store. There's a GAP, there's an Old Navy, there's an H&M, Marshall's may not be on Michigan Ave but it's certainly close.

I'm not sure where I'm going with all of this. I know that we've lost our Bloomingtons, and we're about to lose Nieman Marcus. Not that I have a whole lot to base it on, but Chicago feels more fashionable to me. In August I came to Chicago to get measured for a suit by Indochino and I also ended up buying a suit at Suit Supply. I doubt Indochino will ever bring their travelling tailor to Minneapolis, and I really doubt there will be a Suit Supply in Minneapolis. Sure there's a size difference, but walking down the street or riding the L the clothes are just at a higher level.

Still don't know what my point is, other than maybe I shouldn't start a post, have 2 drinks, and then finish it? I think I'd like to end up in Chicago once my wife finishes her doctorate, but that's because I feel pretty comfortable in a suit and that seems to be more the norm in Chicago than it is in Minneapolis.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Didier » November 19th, 2012, 12:07 am

Chicago seems to suit you.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby mplser » November 19th, 2012, 12:55 am

Didier wrote:Chicago seems to suit you.
yer punny

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby twincitizen » November 19th, 2012, 12:56 am

I feel like Minneapolis could support an Express store. Heck, we had one in Calhoun Square until like one minute before I moved to Minneapolis. They could easily fit in anywhere in the area, the corner spot in Greenleaf even! (ok, that's just me being selfish...plus that would be dangerous for my wallet). Seriously though, I'd love to see Express take over part of the Neiman Marcus space downtown. I felt strongly enough about their lack of a store in Minneapolis proper to email them, so that's something...


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