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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby twincitizen » November 21st, 2014, 8:52 am

A visual timeline of the Dayton's building additions: http://danwhittaker.com/tea/mod/HTML/sld154.htm (h/t: mattaudio)

(Click forward or backward in the slideshow for additional Dayton's images)

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby MplsSteve » November 21st, 2014, 9:30 am

This is more of a general comment. We hear so much about the gradual extinction of the department store as a retail format. I have to think that a lot of it is due to the fact that the few remaining players just don't seem to try very hard anymore. Locally we lament the loss of Daytons, but we're hardly alone. I've read many complaints from other parts of the country where Macy's has bought out local department store chains. They all agree that those stores now have a very dull, neglected feel. Department stores used to be cool places to shop. How did this change happen, and more importantly how did the people in charge allow it to happen? I know some of it was inevitable (online shopping, big box stores), but you have to feel that a lot of these retailers didn't even try to stay relevent.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby xandrex » November 21st, 2014, 10:00 am

TroyGBiv wrote:With headquarters on the next block this store is the lab for buyers, MPD, training, ops, vendors etc...
Downtown was the test store, but they realized it didn't accurately represent their stores due to its urban setting and very heavy use by its own employees just across the street. The test store has been the Quarry for several years now. Pretty much everything new that Target is planning on rolling out nationwide (new products, technology enhancements, store layouts) gets tested there.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby mullen » November 21st, 2014, 10:58 am

i didn't know that. I'll have to get up the quarry location to check that out. i assumed dt target was still the test store. that dt store still feels very oversized. but wasn't it their first attempt at a dowtown site? or one of the first.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby FISHMANPET » November 21st, 2014, 11:00 am

Lake St is also a test store sometimes, they tested some weird checkout lane where there was a single line and a computer would call you to the right register when it was open.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby HiawathaGuy » November 21st, 2014, 11:02 am

mullen wrote:But wasn't it their first attempt at a dowtown site? or one of the first.
No, they had several other multi-level stores long before they opened this store. There are things specifically unique to our downtown store though (like the stockroom levels, etc.), but ours was certainly not the first to have levels in an urban area.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby FISHMANPET » November 21st, 2014, 11:31 am

But it does predate the CityTarget brand, right?

I went to one of those in Chicago, and other than being in an older renovated space, it seemed normal to me.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby LakeCharles » November 21st, 2014, 11:40 am

FISHMANPET wrote:Lake St is also a test store sometimes, they tested some weird checkout lane where there was a single line and a computer would call you to the right register when it was open.
Interestingly, that method worked significantly faster for everyone. But the perception of guests was that it took longer, so they did away with it.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby David Greene » November 21st, 2014, 12:13 pm

FISHMANPET wrote:Lake St is also a test store sometimes, they tested some weird checkout lane where there was a single line and a computer would call you to the right register when it was open.

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That is the correct way to do queueing!

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby FISHMANPET » November 21st, 2014, 12:20 pm

In theory I liked the idea, but at least at that particular store, nobody seemed to really know what to do, so there was a lot of confused waiting at the front of the line with one or more cashiers practically screaming "HEY OVER HERE."

Also the actual checkout counters seemed much smaller, you couldn't even unload a full cart onto them, you'd have to unload a few things, let them get bagged, put the bag in your cart, unload a few more things, etc etc.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby John21 » November 21st, 2014, 4:19 pm

As a person who always gets in the slowest line, I wish Lake St would've kept that setup.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby FISHMANPET » November 21st, 2014, 5:04 pm

The Quarry is also pretty awful, with the lines two deep, I never know where to line up for the registers closer to the door. When an employee flags me into an empty checkout line I feel bad for cutting straight to checkout when everyone else is waiting in line, but I guess that's their problem for not looking around?

And Lake St has self-checkout now which I appreciate. The less I have to interact with a human being the better.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby Matt » November 21st, 2014, 5:07 pm

FISHMANPET wrote:But it does predate the CityTarget brand, right?

I went to one of those in Chicago, and other than being in an older renovated space, it seemed normal to me.

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CityTarget is still a new idea, with the first one happening in 2012. In theory, CityTarget is a smaller footprint and has a slightly different assortment due to this (less bulky stuff since some of the CityTarget's have little to no parking on site). Prices are also typically higher in CityTarget branded stores and they have a different circular. (I'm a former TGT HQ worker.)

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby xandrex » November 24th, 2014, 4:16 pm

mullen wrote:i didn't know that. I'll have to get up the quarry location to check that out. i assumed dt target was still the test store. that dt store still feels very oversized. but wasn't it their first attempt at a dowtown site? or one of the first.
Yeah, when I worked at the Quarry location for several years, people from HQ were in there pretty much every day, lots of walk-throughs with the CEO, etc. It was actually quite annoying for floor members, since HQ folks would just huddle in popular spots and gawk and generally block guests. And whenever the CEO would come to visit, it meant doing some really strange things with the store (removing clearance endcaps, putting items in the wrong spot to fill empty spaces, etc.)
David Green wrote:That is the correct way to do queueing!
That's generally a faster way to do it, but only if the person is purchasing a few items. One nice thing about normal checkouts is that they allow customers to at least start unloading their items while someone else is being checked out. In a suburban-style store like the Quarry Target, many people were doing their weekly shopping trip for their family. One of the surest ways to slow down the process was someone who didn't unload ahead of time and then set one item at a time on the belt...you can scan and bag an item quicker than they can unload.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby grant1simons2 » November 24th, 2014, 4:23 pm

Quarry is the test store, talked to my aunt who works for Target

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby twincitizen » December 4th, 2014, 8:27 am

Saks Off 5th to layoff 50 in closure, PR rep continues to suggest that they may look at another downtown location in the future (though that doesn't make a lick of sense to me...why not just stay put?): http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/b ... osure.html

If Hudson's Bay Company really is interested in a future presence downtown, I'd rather they wait a few years until we have another 1,000 or so residents living right in the core (and several thousands more living on the periphery of downtown). Perhaps that would increase the chances of them opening a Lord & Taylor or Saks (proper), instead of the outlet store.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby mattaudio » December 4th, 2014, 8:36 am

I wonder how much demand there is for a high-end retail store in Mpls. Seems like people who want and/or can afford higher end apparel are more interested in unique, handcrafted, or responsibly sourced apparel. That's more likely to come from smaller shops, boutiques, etc than a larger department store.

Though I wouldn't mind having a Nordstrom downtown.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby 5th Ave Guy » December 4th, 2014, 10:50 am

mattaudio wrote:I wonder how much demand there is for a high-end retail store in Mpls. Seems like people who want and/or can afford higher end apparel are more interested in unique, handcrafted, or responsibly sourced apparel. That's more likely to come from smaller shops, boutiques, etc than a larger department store.

Though I wouldn't mind having a Nordstrom downtown.
I don't agree with that. I'm willing to spend money on clothes I like and will wear a lot (Nordstrom's, Len Druskin, etc.). Some of the boutiques opening up in the North Loop, while very cool and good for the neighborhood, seem to be stocked with stuff that is fun to look at, but not necessarily wear.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby mattaudio » December 4th, 2014, 10:55 am

I group Len Druskin in with the smaller stores rather than the Saks and the Nordstroms though.

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Re: Downtown Retail News

Postby LakeCharles » December 4th, 2014, 11:59 am

5th Ave Guy wrote:I don't agree with that. I'm willing to spend money on clothes I like and will wear a lot (Nordstrom's, Len Druskin, etc.). Some of the boutiques opening up in the North Loop, while very cool and good for the neighborhood, seem to be stocked with stuff that is fun to look at, but not necessarily wear.
How is a sweater from Askov Finlayson or Martin Patrick 3 any harder to wear than a sweater from Len Druskin? The Galleria Druskin even stocks some of the same brands as Martin Patrick 3.


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