Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby sushisimo » January 27th, 2015, 12:42 pm

I would like to see more common seating areas. There are quite a few neat little food places with not enough seating. So then I'm traipsing around to sit in the Crystal Court and eat, or Northstar has some seating on main level. I suppose why have general seating areas that aren't collecting rent from vendors.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby acs » January 27th, 2015, 12:48 pm

I never thought I would find defenders of food courts on an urbanist forum. If large seating areas are your concern there's the crystal court, peavy plaza, the new downtown commons and all the new areas to be built along nicollet mall. All of which serve a purpose besides just seating for people eating lunch. Think about it, do we really want our skyway levels or (god forbid) our street level buildings taken up by dark, inward facing, single-use food courts?

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby MNdible » January 27th, 2015, 12:57 pm

People have to sit and eat somewhere. Some people even like to have a table for them to put their food rather than eating off of their laps. I'm not sure why a communal foodcourt (which needn't be dark -- the old City Center foodcourt was very well daylit) is more offensive than a restaurant having dedicated seating.

Your reaction seems a bit... strong.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby MNdible » January 27th, 2015, 12:58 pm

I'll just add that, besides the Crystal Court, all of the places you're suggesting people sit require the weather to be nice out.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby xandrex » January 27th, 2015, 12:59 pm

Assuming we're talking skyway retail, I'd think there could be a good argument for food courts, namely that seating takes up space, so pooling that space into one area allows for more leasable space to be available either for more profitable things than seating (essentially a pure cost) or allow more businesses because the ones there don't need as much space.

As for food trucks, they can only explain bad business in the summer. What's the excuse in the winter?

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby Silophant » January 27th, 2015, 1:04 pm

acs wrote: Think about it, do we really want our skyway levels or (god forbid) our street level buildings taken up by dark, inward facing, single-use food courts?
Not at all. Bright, airy food courts like 330 2nd Ave's, though, are just fine.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby sushisimo » January 27th, 2015, 1:53 pm

Silophant wrote:
acs wrote: Think about it, do we really want our skyway levels or (god forbid) our street level buildings taken up by dark, inward facing, single-use food courts?
Not at all. Bright, airy food courts like 330 2nd Ave's, though, are just fine.
Exactly. I think they can be very pro-urbanist because it's an amenity that, oh I don't know, allows you to utilize and enjoy the urban fabric more. The food trucks are great, but only if you're going to run back up to your office with it. Otherwise, you can try walking to Peavey and have your tacos completely soaked through your tray thing by the time you get there. True story.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby Silophant » January 27th, 2015, 4:01 pm

Strib article updated with a bunch more info:
Confirmed our deductions about the layout.
Baja Sol and Leann Chin are moving within City Center, Au Bon Pain and Greek Grill are leaving.
Shorenstein is close to a deal with a mystery tenant for the other big space on the ground level. It isn't shoes.
The proper will require significant renovations before Sak's moves in, though it doesn't specify if that includes exterior revamping or just renovating the inside.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby mattaudio » January 27th, 2015, 4:43 pm

So does that represent Au Bon Pain leaving the DT Mpls market? They used to have multiple outlets, including Capella Tower ground level and Northstar (I think?) skyway.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby TommyT » January 27th, 2015, 4:44 pm

mattaudio wrote:So does that represent Au Bon Pain leaving the DT Mpls market? They used to have multiple outlets, including Capella Tower ground level and Northstar (I think?) skyway.
They just opened a new store in Capella Tower last year and I haven't heard anything about them leaving. I bet they are just leaving City Center.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby Silophant » January 27th, 2015, 5:43 pm

That's my guess. I'm guessing/hoping that they just move across the street. There's a couple open retail bays in both Gaviidae wings.

No different info, but Finance & Commerce has an article as well, with a nice picture of the wrong corner of City Center.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby mattaudio » January 27th, 2015, 5:57 pm

I realize MN is rather snob-hostile, and I'm thankful for that... but this is only a 16,000 outlet. Isn't that more along the lines of maybe a Nordstrom Rack? We used to have a Saks Fifth Avenue and a Nieman Marcus on Nicollet Mall, in the not-too-distant past. I'll say retail is back when we get a Nordstrom or something comparable.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby FISHMANPET » January 27th, 2015, 6:09 pm

Also why specifically call out that it's not shoes. Were people expecting a DSW or something here (even though I imagine that's much larger than this space).

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby Silophant » January 27th, 2015, 6:24 pm

I'd be all about a DSW downtown, actually. But, yeah, unless there was a rumor I missed that it was going to be a shoe retailer, it seems a weird thing to call out.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby MNdible » January 27th, 2015, 6:29 pm

mattaudio wrote:I realize MN is rather snob-hostile, and I'm thankful for that... but this is only a 16,000 outlet.
Matt, there was some confusion about this, but it's been clarified that it is a 40,000 sf store.

And I'd agree that this alone doesn't show that retail is saved, but I think it, coupled with a number of other positive developments, are at least a hopeful sign.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby Tyler » January 27th, 2015, 6:31 pm

mattaudio wrote:I realize MN is rather snob-hostile, and I'm thankful for that... but this is only a 16,000 outlet. Isn't that more along the lines of maybe a Nordstrom Rack? We used to have a Saks Fifth Avenue and a Nieman Marcus on Nicollet Mall, in the not-too-distant past. I'll say retail is back when we get a Nordstrom or something comparable.
You're confusing me matt. Off 5th is leasing 40K. And what's the snob comment about?
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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby Aville_37 » January 27th, 2015, 10:16 pm

Does anyone know what other retailer may be signing on for the other space? While I'd love to see non-outlet/discount stores move into downtown, it's a start! Thoughts about making City Center a discount/outlet mall for downtown? I'd imagine it would do well if kept up. Could also see other non-discount/outlet stores sprouting up after seeing retail succeed.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby Andrew_F » January 27th, 2015, 10:30 pm

It will be interesting to see how many of them City Center is able to relocate down to the 15k of vacant space past the GNC. It's hard to say how much of the traffic on the east end of City Center is due to the restaurants and how much is due to the natural crossroads in the skyway. Perhaps with Mayo Clinic Square opening up, these places will be willing to relocate to the other end en masse.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby nickmgray » January 28th, 2015, 7:55 am

I think this is a good move. If the two restaurants move down to towards UPS and GNC, it will spread out the foot traffic during the lunch hour. Leeann Chin usually has a line out the door between 12 and 12:30 and Baja Sol is starting to get busy again now that they brought back the free chips.

I'm hoping that the Saks renovation opens up the corner entrance on Nicollet and 6th. They should also blow out the concrete walls along Nicollet for display and maybe a few of them on the second floor to pull in some natural light into the store. This could be the best thing to happen to the City Center in a decade.

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Re: Downtown Minneapolis Retail News

Postby Tyler » January 28th, 2015, 1:01 pm

I wonder what could be done to open up the skyway level on the west side. Right now if feels like a dead end. I know it's squeezing through the parking garage but maybe something can be done. It would help the viability of the retail spots over there a bunch.
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