Zoning in Minneapolis

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby grant1simons2 » September 13th, 2017, 3:27 pm

Proposed updates to the building review code, allowing for more leverage in the city in terms of material. Bender is the one proposing the changes, and intends for the updates to create longer lasting/stronger buildings in Minneapolis
Some materials such as brick, stone, and glass have a long history of proven architectural quality in a variety of applications as well as a strong compatibility with the historic building fabric of Minneapolis. Other materials, like fiber cement, represent an evolving list of products that combine several components or ingredients into one composite system, often in panelized form.
Three classes of materials will be created in the code.
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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby RailBaronYarr » September 14th, 2017, 8:01 am

Fixing Grant's broken link: http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/www/gro ... 204837.pdf

Unless I'm missing something, this standard still applies to all exterior faces of a building:
(4) Side and rear elevations. The exterior materials and appearance of the rear and side elevations of
any building shall be similar to and compatible with the front of the building.
It'd be nice to recognize that while we're trying to make new buildings 'compatible' with our older ones, we could at least allow new buildings to treat the side- and rear-yard with a different level of standard than the public-facing side. Using cheaper brick, fewer architectural elements, fewer windows, and/or different materials entirely from the front facade was quite common in the past. Seems to be a reasonable tradeoff if we're going to up the ante on construction cost requirements.

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby mattaudio » September 14th, 2017, 4:27 pm

Class III materials should be allowed on any building face that doesn't front a public street or sidewalk. It's ridiculous how much CPC and staff have concerned themselves with materials on narrow side yards and whatnot. Hello, your ridiculous concern comes at the expense of people having housing.

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby twincitizen » October 12th, 2017, 10:19 am

Question about balconies encroaching over property lines (into public right-of-way):

When a multi-story apartment building is built-to-line (i.e. zero setback from the front property line), are upper story balconies allowed to extend over the property line (i.e. potentially hanging over a sidewalk)? Or would the upper floors need to be stepped back if projecting balconies are planned on that facade of the building?

I know I could just email a planner at Mpls, but I thought one of you might know or be able to find it in the code.
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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby MNdible » October 12th, 2017, 10:49 am

My understanding is that they're not allowed by right, but the city has been known to grant encroachment variances in such cases. Even though they shouldn't.

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby twincitizen » October 12th, 2017, 11:42 am

Can anyone point to a particular example where balconies actually hang over the sidewalk? I suppose it's way more common that the building is simply set back 5 feet from the lot line, and a 5' hanging balcony on upper floors would come right up to the lot line.

The more I think about it and picture it in my head, it would seem kinda wrong to allow 2nd or 3rd floor balconies to be literally located above the public sidewalk. That would just feel weird, no?

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby MNdible » October 12th, 2017, 11:47 am

Pretty sure this came up in the new Uptown project next to Solhem, right? Also, at Lime I think?

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby BoredAgain » October 12th, 2017, 12:11 pm

twincitizen wrote:
October 12th, 2017, 11:42 am
Can anyone point to a particular example where balconies actually hang over the sidewalk? I suppose it's way more common that the building is simply set back 5 feet from the lot line, and a 5' hanging balcony on upper floors would come right up to the lot line.

The more I think about it and picture it in my head, it would seem kinda wrong to allow 2nd or 3rd floor balconies to be literally located above the public sidewalk. That would just feel weird, no?
It's not a balcony, but the Walkway has that hot tub that overhangs the sidewalk.

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby David Greene » October 17th, 2017, 10:43 am

Yes, Lime has them.

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby ko123 » October 17th, 2017, 11:04 am

twincitizen wrote:
October 12th, 2017, 11:42 am
Can anyone point to a particular example where balconies actually hang over the sidewalk? I suppose it's way more common that the building is simply set back 5 feet from the lot line, and a 5' hanging balcony on upper floors would come right up to the lot line.

The more I think about it and picture it in my head, it would seem kinda wrong to allow 2nd or 3rd floor balconies to be literally located above the public sidewalk. That would just feel weird, no?
The Maverick (100 Hennepin) has hung balconies above the sidewalk on all street facing sides

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby jtoemke » October 18th, 2017, 7:19 am

The thing is, in these examples I wonder if the balconies actually encroach on the public right away or if the sidewalk being paved wide makes it seem so. The sidewalk could very well be half in the right of way and half on the private lot.

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Re: Zoning in Minneapolis

Postby RailBaronYarr » October 18th, 2017, 7:57 am

That's pretty rare. Most sidewalks on residential blocks actually end 1-2 feet short of the public ROW. And while that may not be super relevant to new construction, we can certainly verify whether the building abuts the lot line from the plans they submitted to the city.


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