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What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 11:30 am
by hiawather
Hey all-

I believe I've seen a couple comments by more than a few regular contributors/posters here regarding the Minneapolis E-Democracy forum indicating it is not a safe neighborhood for sane minds to walk in even during the light of day. Not being able to resist gawking at a really good car wreck, I've spent the past couple of months following the activity there and have only this to say:

Holy Hell in a Handbasket, What a Shit Show!

Though clearly the same broad brush cannot apply to all individuals who participate in the site, here are my general impressions of what I've seen and I'm curious if my take on that very special place is similar to others:

- Clearly there are a lot of old timers there. It looks like there is a core group that's probably been there since inception and the site works out very nicely for them. Nothing inherently wrong with this fact on its own, the only danger is that it can lead to being a bubble with an 'in-group' that effectively pushes out a lot of opposing voices.

- It's a bubble that effectively pushes out a lot of opposing voices. Further, people in the bubble don't apply critical thinking to other 'in-group' members' posts. It's perhaps the clearest example of political tribalism I've seen.

- It uses an archaic technology best suited for its core demographic of what I'm gathering is white property owners over 40 (a demographic that I am part of).

- Despite its term of service, it is a hotbed of spreading rumors and innuendo bordering on defamation against political opponents. This is the main reason I will not become part of this site.

- There really is no fact checking. I don't mean in the formal sense, where someone(s) goes through and verify the 'facts' presented by various participants, but in an informal sense where participants don't feel the need to be factual or honest. This likely springs from the tribalism I mentioned above.

- There aren't a lot of facts, period. In addition to rumor and innuendo against individuals, it seems like a great place to go if you want to toss out assertions that not only have no backing data but that data suggests are false.

- It's dying. No posts since December 26th, and rarely is there much volume in general.

It may very well have been a robust, productive site in the past for discussing local issues...now, it's an embarrassment. I was just wondering if my take is similar to others.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 12:41 pm
by FISHMANPET
I think it has neighborhood specific forums that are very rarely used (I bet NextDoor has taken the wind out of their sales on that front) but the real Cesspool is the Minneapolis Issues forum.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 12:48 pm
by seanrichardryan
It was better maybe 15 years ago. Now its the same 8 people bantering back and forth. it's a relic from the early internet era.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 1:33 pm
by twincitizen
"Stop making e-democracy happen" is a saying I coined on Twitter this year (i.e. stop linking to or discussing e-democracy on other outlets and it will eventually go away).

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 7:24 pm
by David Greene
The funny thing is, many of those same points can be applied to this forum, to greater or lesser degree.

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Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 7:39 pm
by Multimodal
Does this forum collect any information on gender, race, age, etc.?

I’m guessing, at a minimum, it skews much younger than e-democracy, if not otherwise more diverse.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 7:49 pm
by LakeCharles
David Greene wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 7:24 pm
The funny thing is, many of those same points can be applied to this forum, to greater or lesser degree.
I mean, not really. Of the 7 points they listed, only two really apply to this forum:

- It's a bubble that effectively pushes out a lot of opposing voices. This is true, and deserves to be worked on, though it's also true of much of the internet in general.
- It uses an archaic technology. True, though not sure it's really an issue. But maybe that is because I'm ignorant of the alternatives.

Of the other 5, I wouldn't say any are really true:
-There is a core group, but there are lots of new faces routinely joining as well.
-For all the flaws here, it is not a hotbed of political innuendo bordering on defamation.
-There is rigorous fact-checking, for a forum. People hold each other accountable in my experience (for facts, anyway).
-There are a lot of facts. Most of the posts are just listings of new happenings.
-It's certainly not dying. Lots of volume.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 9:25 pm
by hiawather
I agree...I don't think there's really much similarity between the streets.mn forum and Mpls E-Democracy. I think the latter is what it is due to the very special and unique people there that make it that way.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 10:18 pm
by VacantLuxuries
It might as well just be Carol Becker's personal site at this point, most of the action comes from her writing long, fact free treatises that she's no longer able to get published in Strib or streets.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 5th, 2019, 6:36 pm
by Blaisdell Greenway
The whole crew appears to be migrating to https://www.vox.mn/public.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 5th, 2019, 10:24 pm
by mattaudio
#shocked

Domain Name: VOX.MN
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Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
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Reseller:
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Registry Registrant ID: C24150104-AGRS
Registrant Name: Carol Becker
Registrant Organization:
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Registry Admin ID: C24150104-AGRS
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DNSSEC: unsigned

>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2019-03-06T04:22:01Z <<<

(Mod note: let's not dox her, even though she'd do the same to any of us.)

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 5th, 2019, 10:27 pm
by David Greene
That's hilarious.

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Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 5th, 2019, 11:18 pm
by Anondson
Yup.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 6th, 2019, 9:04 am
by VacantLuxuries
Especially funny since it's incredibly easy to have your hosting provider register as the ICANN owner on your behalf to prevent this sort of embarassment.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 6th, 2019, 9:16 am
by mattaudio
Coincidence?

Hiding in Plain Sight: PAC-Connected Activists Set Up ‘Local News’ Outlets
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/03/04/ ... ews-sites/

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 6th, 2019, 10:47 am
by Bob Stinson's Ghost
VacantLuxuries wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 9:04 am
Especially funny since it's incredibly easy to have your hosting provider register as the ICANN owner on your behalf to prevent this sort of embarassment.
What, wait, is there some kind of embarrassment taking place here? Did I miss something?

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 6th, 2019, 11:10 am
by amiller92
Yeah, I'm not we should assume she didn't want it know that she's behind it.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 6th, 2019, 11:27 am
by twincitizen
First she tried to steal WedgeLIVE's name and is now ripping off the popular website VOX? Stunning lack of originality.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 6th, 2019, 1:43 pm
by Bob Stinson's Ghost
I think Carol is pretty proud of leading the "resistance". I don't think she wants to hide anything.

Re: What's Your Take On Minneapolis E-Democracy?

Posted: March 6th, 2019, 1:50 pm
by MattW
twincitizen wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 11:27 am
First she tried to steal WedgeLIVE's name and is now ripping off the popular website VOX? Stunning lack of originality.
If this bubbles up to VOX media, pretty sure there will be a swift cease and desist letter.