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Linden Crossing - (4264 Upton Ave S)

Posted: July 15th, 2012, 3:17 pm
by woofner
Mod note: See new thread for 2015 proposal: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3804


I'm surprised no one has mentioned the attempt by Mark Dwyer to reanimate the corpse of Linden Corner:

http://southwestminneapolis.patch.com/a ... f-10658252

The new version is actually called 4250 Upton and Dwyer hopes to build it despite the recently passed moratorium on projects with an FAR greater than 1.7 and/or requiring a CUP for height.

While I liked the first version better, the new one is good too, except for a couple awkward blank walls (northernmost part of the Upton face and westernmost part of the 43rd face). It's probably a good idea to keep the public space on the corner as the new design does rather than push it out to the boulevard.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 15th, 2012, 3:22 pm
by dmdhashw
Wouldn't it be amusing if this uglier version of Linden Corner gets approved? :lol:

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 15th, 2012, 4:09 pm
by spectre000
How disingenuous of the developer to have originally proposed a five story building and tell the community repeatedly that it wouldn't be financially viable as a smaller building. Yet low and behold, here's a smaller proposal now.

Is it any wonder why real estate developers get such a bad reputation?

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 15th, 2012, 4:27 pm
by ECtransplant
I feel a good amount of schadenfreude about the NIMBYs getting the mediocre development that they deserve :twisted:

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 15th, 2012, 4:37 pm
by seanrichardryan
He should build a profitable gas station instead, perhaps with a hookah 'tobacco' shop attached.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 15th, 2012, 4:45 pm
by seanrichardryan
I can't open the revised plan file on patch, can someone post it here?

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 15th, 2012, 6:39 pm
by Nick
spectre000 wrote:How disingenuous of the developer to have originally proposed a five story building and tell the community repeatedly that it wouldn't be financially viable as a smaller building. Yet low and behold, here's a smaller proposal now.

Is it any wonder why real estate developers get such a bad reputation?
According to one of the comments on there, getting rid of amenities like the neighborhood parking (like at Excelsior and Grand) seems to have dropped the price of the project a lot.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 15th, 2012, 7:35 pm
by mulad
Does this have a smaller footprint than the old proposal? I'm trying to understand what the "Lots in Development" figure is in the infobox on that Patch article. It says Linden Corner was 5 while this one is 2.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 15th, 2012, 9:42 pm
by min-chi-cbus
spectre000 wrote:How disingenuous of the developer to have originally proposed a five story building and tell the community repeatedly that it wouldn't be financially viable as a smaller building. Yet low and behold, here's a smaller proposal now.

Is it any wonder why real estate developers get such a bad reputation?
I have to agree here (and I know the entire back story behind this development and the hypocrites that live in Linden Hills But I have to sympathize here a second with the developer: if he knows the NIMBYs will turn him down, wouldn't YOU start high and "settle" at where you wanted to be all along? Isn't that what bluffing is all about (if you play poker, bought a car, or negotiated anything in your life with somebody who doesn't know what the word "compromise" truly means)? I'm not sure if I'd lie like he did but I'd definitely aim high and settle like he did -- if I had to.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 16th, 2012, 9:08 am
by MNdible
mulad wrote:Does this have a smaller footprint than the old proposal? I'm trying to understand what the "Lots in Development" figure is in the infobox on that Patch article. It says Linden Corner was 5 while this one is 2.
I think you're right. If memory serves, the old development took the building and lots north of Famous Dave's, whereas the new version appears to be limited to the Famous Dave's lots.

That might also be part of the reason why this smaller version is viable -- lower land costs.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 16th, 2012, 11:05 am
by woofner
Here is a screen grab of the scanned rendering on scribd (download was greyed out):
4250 Upton.JPG
Maybe Mark Dwyer's definition of viable was retail space that wouldn't sit vacant for 5 years (i.e. restaurant space).

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 16th, 2012, 11:47 am
by nordeast homer
I didn't have a problem with the original proposal being that there's already some large buildings in the area, but I'm sure this will still be too large for some of the neighbors...
Looks like he tried to get a little more decorative with some of the design.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 16th, 2012, 11:58 am
by minntransplant
nordeast homer wrote:I didn't have a problem with the original proposal being that there's already some large buildings in the area, but I'm sure this will still be too large for some of the neighbors...
Looks like he tried to get a little more decorative with some of the design.
I agree. For many opponents, "fitting in with the neighborhood" = a single story building.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 16th, 2012, 12:12 pm
by Chef
If you read some of the comments it is obvious that it has become personal for some of the opponents. They will probably oppose anything this developer proposes. What an ugly situation, glad I don't live in Linden Hills.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 17th, 2012, 11:15 am
by MNdible
If this fits within the underlying zoning, there won't be much the neighbors can do to prevent it.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 17th, 2012, 12:12 pm
by min-chi-cbus
minntransplant wrote:
nordeast homer wrote:I didn't have a problem with the original proposal being that there's already some large buildings in the area, but I'm sure this will still be too large for some of the neighbors...
Looks like he tried to get a little more decorative with some of the design.
I agree. For many opponents, "fitting in with the neighborhood" = a single story building.
For many opponents, the only good development is no development......they like Linden Hills just the way it is. And so do I, but I'd like it even MORE if it were improved, and I think more people should be able to enjoy what we all seem to love so much.....right? People!

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 24th, 2012, 1:59 pm
by John
It's a calmer building and less overwhelming in size. Its scale fits in better with the corner, yet, I did like the original proposal in many ways. It was very high quality. It would be nice to have something like the original proposal built in Uptown. A more appropriate scale for that neighborhood, and I think it would be welcomed in that community with open arms.

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 24th, 2012, 6:10 pm
by min-chi-cbus
John wrote:It's a calmer building and less overwhelming in size. Its scale fits in better with the corner, yet, I did like the original proposal in many ways. It was very high quality. It would be nice to have something like the original proposal built in Uptown. A more appropriate scale for that neighborhood, and I think it would be welcomed in that community with open arms.
Yeah.....like James & Lake, to be precise!

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 24th, 2012, 8:02 pm
by John
min-chi-cbus wrote:
John wrote:It's a calmer building and less overwhelming in size. Its scale fits in better with the corner, yet, I did like the original proposal in many ways. It was very high quality. It would be nice to have something like the original proposal built in Uptown. A more appropriate scale for that neighborhood, and I think it would be welcomed in that community with open arms.
Yeah.....like James & Lake, to be precise!
I actually wasn't thinking about that spot, but now that you mention it....... ;)

Re: Linden Corner II: The Revenge of Linden Corner

Posted: July 24th, 2012, 8:52 pm
by seanrichardryan
No.