Uptown (and LynLake) Development & General Topics

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby min-chi-cbus » November 11th, 2016, 10:39 pm

Is this on that giant surface lot on Holmes?

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby EOst » November 11th, 2016, 10:49 pm

lordmoke wrote:the current site of two houses, 3009-13 Holmes Ave S

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby Nathan » November 12th, 2016, 6:18 am

I was just thinking they had to be going pretty soon. They're homes but look like really sub par office space rn.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby twincitizen » November 18th, 2016, 4:17 pm

It's Gunsbury/Solhem (same developer as SolWhatever next door, which they sold last year).
Mostly micro units (380 sf), with two larger live-work loft-style walkups.
http://finance-commerce.com/2016/11/gun ... in-uptown/ (locked I presume)

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby MNdible » November 18th, 2016, 5:22 pm

Might be a nice gesture to mimic the top-floor setback from the project next door.

Also, no more balconies projecting into the public ROW, please.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby mattaudio » November 19th, 2016, 12:24 pm

What's the big deal with balconies over the public ROW?

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby MNdible » November 19th, 2016, 1:03 pm

Well, for starters, they don't own it, we do. So they shouldn't be building over it.

But perhaps more importantly, it's not pleasant to be walking on a sidewalk underneath somebody's balcony.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby RailBaronYarr » November 23rd, 2016, 1:34 pm

Sorry to be a johnny-come-lately here. I wonder how the mindset that someone shouldn't build something over a public right of way meshes with other views on skyways?

I really don't think it's a big deal. We grant air rights all the time, build things that go over sidewalks and streets, etc. It's also pretty rare that buildings with cantilevered balconies aren't set back from the sidewalk anyway, right? Even still, walking on a sidewalk that is partially underneath a balcony really doesn't bother me. Whatever negatives are outweighed by the greater likelihood that you have people outside watching the sidewalk IMO.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby MNdible » November 23rd, 2016, 2:43 pm

I guess any time somebody is asking to take something from the public, you need to understand what are the alternatives and what are the public benefits.

It's not as if the only way that an apartment could have balconies is if they are granted the encroachment, it's just that this is the laziest/greediest way to do it. If balconies are in fact important, then you should plan your development accordingly so that they fit on the property you own, either by pushing back the main facade off of the property line or by recessing the balconies. As an aside, these scabbed on balconies are also the least design sensitive option available. See the side-by-side comparison here.

Regarding the skyway comparison, in spite of their being frowned upon by this board and the Dayton Bros., they are broadly understood to provide a public benefit. A similar argument could be made for awnings projecting into the ROW. I'm not opposed to all encroachment, but when there's no good reason for the city to grant this to a private developer, they shouldn't do it.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby mattaudio » November 28th, 2016, 9:24 am

911 West 36th Street conversion of a C1-zoned SFH to small office
http://minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/pub ... 190464.pdf

1. Is it too late to convince the applicant to build a Form Follows Finance Fourplex?
2. Neighbor Maureen Lyttle of 1001 W 36th Street makes the case for metered parking without knowing it.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby thatchio » December 2nd, 2016, 10:59 pm

Re: Balconies over public ROW, another thing to note is that things falling off of them (whether intentionally, by wind, or ice) can fall on pedestrians below. If they aren't solid on the bottom, they could drip water when people water plants. Things like awnings, signs, and skyways offer far fewer negatives to those below and provide more benefits to those below than a private balcony. Awnings can provide shelter to pedestrians, signs provide information to the pedestrian, and skyways provide most pedestrians (at least hypothetically) an access method (much like a bridge).

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby Sacrelicio » December 5th, 2016, 9:09 pm

Maybe this is the wrong thread but anyone ever think about calming traffic on Lake and Lagoon? Went to Lake and Irving restaurant last Saturday and I noticed how dangerous and unpleasant the traffic is there. Could easily be two lanes plus a bike facility.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby Anondson » December 5th, 2016, 10:57 pm

I think there is historical memory from old timers of traffic levels from the early 90s, before 394 was completed, and Hennepin/Lake was much worse than today. That is there will be serious resistance to diminishing to 2 lanes despite today's traffic levels likely working out with a 2-lane Lake Street.

The highway-esque portion just north of the lake doesn't help with bringing drivers down to more safe driving through uptown, either.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby anders » December 6th, 2016, 7:52 am

Sacrelicio wrote:Maybe this is the wrong thread but anyone ever think about calming traffic on Lake and Lagoon? Went to Lake and Irving restaurant last Saturday and I noticed how dangerous and unpleasant the traffic is there. Could easily be two lanes plus a bike facility.
They're county roads, so the conventional wisdom is that when and if any redesign does take place, it won't be very ambitious. Would be nice to see some of the neighborhood organizations and elected officials push for a change.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby EOst » December 6th, 2016, 7:54 am

Being (perhaps) excessively cynical, I can't imagine Lake or Lagoon seeing lane reductions through here unless a high-profile traffic fatality occurs. The fact that so much development and retail growth has taken place already, despite the hostile roads, probably makes it harder to argue that calming is necessary.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby twincitizen » December 6th, 2016, 8:12 am

Lake (eastbound) is 3 lanes at all times.
Lagoon (westbound) is 3 lanes during both peak periods, 2 lanes at all other times (one lane becomes a parking lane). Sidewalks on Lagoon are ridiculously narrow and not ADA compliant.

More than lane reductions or bike infra, what this area needs most is much wider sidewalks and bumpouts. If the enhanced pedestrian infrastructure requires a lane reduction, great, but that shouldn't be the driving factor (just thinking in terms of how you sell it to the public, businesses, etc.)

In terms of timing, my understanding was that the area was simply not due for reconstruction, because Lake Street in the core of Uptown (west of Dupont) was last rebuilt in the 90s or something. Sure, Hennepin County could try some different things with paint & bollards to create temporary bumpouts, better crosswalks, etc. But the streets & sidewalks really need a total reconstruction, which is going to be expensive as hell and is probably several years away. It would be nice to see Hennepin County do as much as possible with paint in the meantime. That could be done in concert with a mill & overlay of the street, if one is planned anytime soon.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby Sacrelicio » December 6th, 2016, 10:00 am

EOst wrote:Being (perhaps) excessively cynical, I can't imagine Lake or Lagoon seeing lane reductions through here unless a high-profile traffic fatality occurs. The fact that so much development and retail growth has taken place already, despite the hostile roads, probably makes it harder to argue that calming is necessary.
Is this really a common argument? That calming doesn't need to occur because the area is successful already?

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby mattaudio » December 6th, 2016, 10:28 am

Uptown has to have a Special Service District, right? Can't they chip in for bumpouts or whatev, even without full reconstruction? Heck if we can cobble together funding to make changes near 48th and Chicago, I'm sure a business node that's multiple times more valuable can do the same.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby twincitizen » December 6th, 2016, 12:14 pm

Uptown does have a SSD. For some reason, I though it was self-managed (like DID), rather than City-managed like many of the other smaller SSDs, but now I'm not so sure - based on my reading of the ordinance it is City-managed. I'll note that the SSD does not cover Lagoon west of Humboldt, so that wouldn't be much help with the pathetically narrow sidewalks there.

I seem to recall thatchio saying something like that they were still paying off the previous reconstruction (or something of that nature).

Before we go too far down the SSD path, I will note that the City and County do have something in the works for better crosswalks. Planning to spend $130k on durable markings soon, perhaps 2017: http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups ... 174308.pdf

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby thatchio » December 6th, 2016, 9:58 pm

The Uptown SSD is self managed. They were still paying off a couple of years ago the 1990s sidewalk, lantern pedestrian lights, and tree lighting receptacles that they installed. My recollection is that the capital payoff was in 2017 but that is very rusty. I think the thought a number of years ago was that in the early 2020s it may be time for Lake Street west of Dupont to be reconstructed to Lake Calhoun but I'm not really sure if that's true anymore. They just did a mill and overlay, which buys them some additional time.

The electrical conduit serving the trees is all broken and not working both from underground breaks and the endpoints. The SSD has been upgrading the lantern lights to have electrical boxes on them to serve their holiday lighting program.

The Uptown Small Area Plan referenced that there was a significant amount of land that could be reclaimed from Lake Street simply by re-striping it to East Lake standards. That's without discussions about either removing a lane of parking or a lane of traffic, though you could probably remove a lane of traffic east of Hennepin relatively easily due to lower traffic counts.

My vision has been that there should be a removal of a lane of parking west of Hennepin and a lane of traffic east of Hennepin to Dupont. Sidewalks should be expanded on both sides and a two-way protected bike lane should be installed on the south side of Lake Street from Lake Calhoun to at least Girard. Bump outs should be added where possible, especially on the east side of Hennepin on Lake Street, the west side of Hennepin on the north side of Lake, and the south side of Lake Street west of Hennepin.

As of two years ago, for anything truly great to happen for pedestrian environment, there would need to be leadership coming out of the Uptown business and neighborhood community to make it happen. There has been some difference of opinion about a number of financial related items within the commercial real estate and business community about how to pay for typical BID-related items. Given the inequity within Minneapolis, I don't see the city leading any effort to improve the situation. A coalition will need to emerge.


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