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Re: Roof Depot site

Postby FISHMANPET » November 30th, 2017, 11:31 pm

Ho boy that sure was a meeting.

Pro tip, if you're going to organize a community meeting that's going to culminate on a community "vote" and you advertise it as such, you should maybe get together and decide what it is you're actually going to vote on before hand.

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Re: Roof Depot site

Postby aeisenberg » December 1st, 2017, 12:55 pm

FISHMANPET wrote:
November 30th, 2017, 11:31 pm
Ho boy that sure was a meeting.

Pro tip, if you're going to organize a community meeting that's going to culminate on a community "vote" and you advertise it as such, you should maybe get together and decide what it is you're actually going to vote on before hand.
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Re: Roof Depot site

Postby FISHMANPET » December 1st, 2017, 4:01 pm

The proposal is pretty much as laid out in that Strib article. There's sort of two parts to their proposal. The first is reusing the southern most part of the current Roof Depot warehouse for "low tech" aquaponics as well as a Greenway facing portion that would be some kind of market for food produced in the facility and local artisans and some bike repair. The second part would be new construction on the west side of the site which is currently mostly just parking lots, this would be "high tech" aquaponics as well as the affordable housing (that each include garden space).

The meeting spent too much time talking about specifically what high-tech aquaponics was (but they were running low on time and so had to cut the "low tech" presentation so I can't even tell you what's different between the two, other than low tech is cheaper to get going). Someone from public works was there to talk about what the city needed the site for, and she did a very bad job at that. I can't really blame her, she was noticeably nervous and shaken the whole time, that was not a friendly room, and at some point a lady started yelling at her. But what's important to know is that the city doesn't have a specific "plan" for this site. I think once upon a time they had a few concepts that involved leaving an acre or two free for some re-development, but the phase they're at now is evaluating what other space needs other city departments have and if they could be accommodated at this site and what that might look like. But there's no "plan." The community has a plan that they presented, and at the end we voted on which "plan" we liked better which is weird because there is no city plan to vote on. But nonetheless two people voted for the city plan.

Voting was instigated during the Q&A session, which was itself almost dropped in favor of immediately voting, but someone grabbed a mic and started letting people ask questions. Finally a lady that was part of the group putting this all together made a "motion" (this was not a meeting ruled by Robert's Rules) to vote and someone yelled out that they seconded it, and she said do you want to vote for the city's plan or the community plan. Which again, there's no city plan, and it's clear that she hadn't planned what she would say when she called a vote. If I'm going to have a community meeting that ends in a vote, I'm going to know exactly what I'm going to say when I declare the options to be voted on.

The room ended up nearly unanimously voting for the community option, with 2 voting for the city "plan" and one lady declaring loudly that she was abstaining because an acre wasn't enough (I have no idea what she was talking about).

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Re: Roof Depot site

Postby SurlyLHT » December 1st, 2017, 4:19 pm

I've always wanted a playground here near the Greenway, aquaponics sounds good as well. I'm not sure how realizable any of it is however.

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Re: Roof Depot site

Postby minneboom » December 2nd, 2017, 9:26 am

The small area plan suggests moving the 3rd Precinct police station on Lake Street to the roof depot site. I hope the city is considering this, as it would open up 3rd Precinct police station site for redevelopment, which includes several surface parking lots and a great corner site at the corner of Lake Street and Minnehaha Avenue.

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Re: Roof Depot site

Postby Chef » December 2nd, 2017, 2:49 pm

Aquaponics is something that is far more suited to low value rural land. It is essentially fish farming and then using the waste water for hydroponics.

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Re: Roof Depot site

Postby FISHMANPET » December 4th, 2017, 11:15 am

The first phase part in the existing building sounds... doable. They've got a grant from the state for job development, and the building is in great shape, as well it sounds like the equipment to get started is not too expensive. I think they'd need more money to build out their store on the Greenway, but they may in fact already have the money to at least start producing food.

The second part is honestly a bit out there, they say they've got people interested in funding it but I guess I'll believe it when I see it? I just saw on Twitter this morning a story about an urban farming company going under so I'm not sure all this stuff is as much of a slam dunk as they think it is. If nothing else, the Green Institute/Greenway Building should serve as a reminder that "The Community" is not always the best at coming up with economically feasible plans.

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Re: Roof Depot site

Postby SurlyLHT » December 4th, 2017, 12:57 pm

If they have extra space I think a business incubator would be a good idea. Much of the surrounding population are from cultures that are more entrepreneurial than our dominant culture.

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Re: Roof Depot site

Postby talindsay » December 18th, 2017, 11:49 am

minneboom wrote:
December 2nd, 2017, 9:26 am
The small area plan suggests moving the 3rd Precinct police station on Lake Street to the roof depot site. I hope the city is considering this, as it would open up 3rd Precinct police station site for redevelopment, which includes several surface parking lots and a great corner site at the corner of Lake Street and Minnehaha Avenue.
As long as that massive Target / Cub parking lot sits massive, unused, and undeveloped on the premier corner of that intersection, I'm not sure it's a good idea to intentionally clear the police station, since it would be more expensive to redevelop.


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