Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby David Greene » August 22nd, 2017, 11:44 am

It's an ugly as hell building.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby EOst » August 22nd, 2017, 11:55 am

Back in 1959, one of the HRA's attorneys called the Metropolitan Building "a monstrosity in the eyes of most observers."

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby David Greene » August 22nd, 2017, 11:56 am

And...drink!

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby EOst » August 22nd, 2017, 11:59 am

I'm not seriously comparing the two as treasures; obviously the Met was a crown jewel. Just saying that current aesthetic values may not be 100% the best way to judge a building's worthiness. Sons of Norway is only a little more recent for us (55 years) than the Met was for them (70).

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby Nathan » August 22nd, 2017, 1:52 pm

squrtis wrote:
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Can we always include a general summary of articles for those of us who are out of views?
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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby Nathan » August 22nd, 2017, 1:54 pm

David Greene wrote:
August 22nd, 2017, 11:44 am
It's an ugly as hell building.
An opinion of ugly doesn't determine whether it's historic or worth saving. I happen to love the styling and the ground floor could easily be made more urban and street friendly without jeopardizing its character.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby David Greene » August 22nd, 2017, 2:13 pm

Well I will say the building looked better in the 1970's before that horizontal beam of concrete was added. To me it looks like a parking ramp with that.

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Also I'm not real fond of the triangular-like piece on the top, especially with the blue border and decoration. Just looks out of place to me.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby grant1simons2 » August 22nd, 2017, 9:27 pm

It's brutal as hell, and I love it. But the current building has been bastardized to a point of almost no return.

I can see how it would be incorporated into new construction though. It could be a rooftop space for a restaurant, with existing office space kept below. Making the first floor retail and bringing back a quasi plaza space that invites window shopping.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby alexschief » August 23rd, 2017, 8:30 am

The location is excellent, and I think I probably reflect the wishes of people on this forum when I say that I think it would be appropriate for a building of some height to go on this site, at minimum five stories. We know already that there will be an office component and it would be baffling to not include retail at this site. Presumably, the rest of the building would be apartments.

I'm also struck by the unique properties of the Sons of Norway organization, who will be the anchor tenant of the new redevelopment. Perhaps it's an implausible dream, but I'd hope that the SoN would advocate for the hiring of a Norwegian architect of note, to design a landmark building for Uptown, which has lots of new development but little really exceptional architecture. Naturally, my pipe dream would be Snøhetta, who are a Norwegian-American firm, and whose architecture I almost always find fantastic.

Perhaps that's too ambitious for a building that could also be a simple ESG shed. But while so many details are still out, here's to hoping that the Sons of Norway will advocate for something that is more than just another building in Uptown.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby Silophant » August 23rd, 2017, 8:44 am

Without any immediately adjacent SFHs, there's no particular reason not to have 10ish stories up against Lake St.

I mean, won't happen, but still.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby min-chi-cbus » August 23rd, 2017, 1:42 pm

I know I'll be the least popular person on this forum by saying this, but I am starting to think that the character of Lake Street isn't really defined by it's mid/high-rises, but rather its 1-2 story retail spaces that make up the majority of the corridor. There are some mid/high-rises along Lake that give it some character as well (Sons of Norway is one of them), but to me height takes a backseat to connecting the fabric of the neighborhood -- which is true everywhere, but it's especially true on a street like Lake St.

If they create a site that really meets the street well and gives the street a boost in character (personality), I'll be fine with the height no matter how tall/short it is. A perfect example are the sites lining Lake Street between Holmes and Hennepin Aves. Gimme more of THAT!

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby amiller92 » August 23rd, 2017, 2:29 pm

min-chi-cbus wrote:
August 23rd, 2017, 1:42 pm
If they create a site that really meets the street well and gives the street a boost in character (personality), I'll be fine with the height no matter how tall/short it is.
Right. Which is what's frustrating about discussions of "character" that focus on height. Height doesn't necessarily matter if the street is engaging/interesting.

And then there's the question of whether the existing character is what we're going for or not. Personally, I like the small storefronts on the south side of Lake Street, but think you can get the same effect from a building with housing above and don't really care for the north side (relatively speaking) because it's a poorly broken-up flat wall.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby David Greene » August 23rd, 2017, 2:38 pm

I was just going to say, I'm not sure any street-level retail in this location would be all that valuable, at least not initially. Lunds is really the very western extent of foot traffic in the area. Plenty of retail west of there has failed.

There should be retail in this project but we have to be realistic about what is possible, too. If we could redevelop the Lunds and adjacent parking lot, it would change things dramatically. In a way it's really too bad Lunds owns its property, as moving it over to this new development to allow redevelopment across the street would be ideal.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby grant1simons2 » August 23rd, 2017, 3:09 pm

David there are like 3 successful restauarants, a bank, a bagel shop, a laundromat, a gallery and even more...

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby at40man » August 23rd, 2017, 3:24 pm

Nathan wrote:
August 22nd, 2017, 1:54 pm
David Greene wrote:
August 22nd, 2017, 11:44 am
It's an ugly as hell building.
An opinion of ugly doesn't determine whether it's historic or worth saving. I happen to love the styling and the ground floor could easily be made more urban and street friendly without jeopardizing its character.

I, too, happen to like it. It has a nice pattern, and is a good unique in-fill building. I shudder to think of what "Scandinavian" design they come up with. I have a feeling it will look more or less like every other new development in Uptown, stuffed full of IKEA.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby grant1simons2 » August 23rd, 2017, 3:35 pm

Woaaaah that's some good irony right there

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby aeisenberg » August 23rd, 2017, 7:56 pm

EOst wrote:
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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby thatchio » August 26th, 2017, 9:40 am

Presumably more windows than this new Nordic Museum near me.
http://mithun.com/project/nordic-heritage-museum/

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby mplsjaromir » August 26th, 2017, 9:48 pm

Yikes, good thing that the Nordic people have such little influence in the greater world.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby Nathan » August 27th, 2017, 6:51 am

Yikes... over react much?
you all realize that museum's often don't have a lot of windows because of their need to control light and preserve art and artifacts right?


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