Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby cnelson » September 29th, 2017, 9:51 am

alexschief wrote:
September 28th, 2017, 9:01 pm
Love the scale. Love 326 units. Not a huge fan of 327 parking stalls, but that does come to less than 1/unit because some portion of those spots are intended for SoN employees.
At the open house they said it was 327 underground stalls for residents and then there was also ground level structured parking (under the pool deck) for the retail space and apartment guests with about half of that being reserved for the Sons of Norway during business hours.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby BigIdeasGuy » September 29th, 2017, 11:11 am

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August 18th, 2017, 7:12 pm
I'm fully expecting acceptably mediocre. So pretty much the standard for a prime developable parcel in Minneapolis.
I was pretty close, it's definitely a step or two above mediocre. I like that they didn't just copy paste every other 6 story apartment building in Uptown with the turret and use of dormers and how the black ties the three buildings together while they are all still distinct. I really like the town homes and walkups along Holmes and Humboldt as well. And the single curb cut is great.

The Lake Street frontage is going to be dependent on how willing the Son's of Norway are going to be in engaging, activating, and providing activity at street level (and we all know how exciting life insurance is). It's unfortunate that Ryan didn't buy out the condo building because I feel that could have really improved the project as well. The pocket park could be really cool if they are able to draw and welcome people walking down Lake Street into the space without a bunch of programing.

I guess at the end of the day my biggest criticism of the project that instead of looking at Uptown and figuring out what the neighborhood needs and wants are to keep growing and evolving, like more nightlife, cafes, etc. Instead Ryan took what I feel is the easy way out and decided to build a bunch of housing, which is clearly needed, and some office space.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby RailBaronYarr » September 29th, 2017, 11:34 am

Funny, I'm not under the impression that what Uptown is lacking is a nightlife/cafe scene (though more of that is certainly welcome), but other uses like more office space. In a vacuum, this project is very nice - better than average design, some public-ish amenities, etc etc. But considering it's one of the last true easily redeveloped lots within the core of Uptown, I'm a little disappointed. The Small Area Plan is soooo conservative anywhere outside the Activity Center. Without drastic change at the Comp Plan level there won't be a way to get more than 3-4 stories outside the core (to be clear, allowing lots of 3-4 story residential like townhomes or smaller apartments/condos, maybe even small retail, would be great). If Uptown has any aspirations of becoming more than a big residential business node/regional shopping node, we need more than this. And if we're ever gonna build Midtown Rail and aBRT down Hennepin, we need to the land uses that justify it.

But, this is nice looking and it'll be great to have 400+ more people in the neighborhood.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby GILBball » September 29th, 2017, 12:16 pm

I like it quite a bit, and with a few changes I'd even be prepared to like it a lot.

I'd love to see maybe just one or two more floors on the Lake St building, just to give it a little more prominence compared to the buildings around it.

Also, I like the lighthouse looking building, but would love to see it a different color (we've had plenty of burnt orange things go up the last few years). I love any of the colors in this photo of Trondheim.
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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby Blaisdell Greenway » September 29th, 2017, 1:30 pm

I could go either way on this... except for the mansard roofs. Whatsup with that?

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby BigIdeasGuy » September 29th, 2017, 8:49 pm

RailBaronYarr wrote:
September 29th, 2017, 11:34 am
Funny, I'm not under the impression that what Uptown is lacking is a nightlife/cafe scene (though more of that is certainly welcome), but other uses like more office space. In a vacuum, this project is very nice - better than average design, some public-ish amenities, etc etc. But considering it's one of the last true easily redeveloped lots within the core of Uptown, I'm a little disappointed. The Small Area Plan is soooo conservative anywhere outside the Activity Center. Without drastic change at the Comp Plan level there won't be a way to get more than 3-4 stories outside the core (to be clear, allowing lots of 3-4 story residential like townhomes or smaller apartments/condos, maybe even small retail, would be great). If Uptown has any aspirations of becoming more than a big residential business node/regional shopping node, we need more than this. And if we're ever gonna build Midtown Rail and aBRT down Hennepin, we need to the land uses that justify it.

But, this is nice looking and it'll be great to have 400+ more people in the neighborhood.
To me Uptown really isn't an office type of place, for better or worse, it's much more happy hour to late night and weekends area. And I think that's okay.

As you said this is one of the last true easily re-developable parcels in Uptown and we're getting 375 units of housing, which is awesome, some office space, and a pocket park hidden from the street. To me that is disappointing, I always thought a concept like the Power and Light District in Kansas City opening on to Lake would have been amazing. This parcel had the ability to be transformative and really help connect the two centers of Uptown, Bde Maka Ska and Hennepin. Instead of that, something that really activates the street and makes people want to walk from end to end, we got a street level office space for a life insurance company. That's great if it's a infill project but this proposal shouldn't be an infill project.

This is a recurring thing to me in Minneapolis. The Ritz Block, the single most developable block in Downtown and it's 2 phases of 30 story apartment building. That could have and should have been so much more, and to be fair I love the design of the tower but the awful parking podium takes a lot of that away. The Doran General Mills site in NE you have a full block to do whatever you want with and it's a brown 20 story apartment building a bunch of town homes. Again there is a lot to like but it could have been so much more. The 1/2 block behind Thrivents HQ, what Montage ended up as, etc. Time after time what gets built on these prime parcels is what should be infill projects.

I know it's easy to spend other peoples money and when you're the one taking on risk it's complete different but MPLS should be expecting more from developers when it comes to these prime parcels.

But hey, it meets the zoning code, eliminates a parking lot, and adds housing so good enough right?

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby David Greene » September 29th, 2017, 9:24 pm

BigIdeasGuy wrote:
September 29th, 2017, 8:49 pm
To me Uptown really isn't an office type of place, for better or worse, it's much more happy hour to late night and weekends area. And I think that's okay.
Well, some of us actually live here... :)


Kidding, kidding. I know what you meant. But still, this corridor could use some family things too.

Connecting Bde Maka Ska and Hennepin is a wonderful idea but I wonder how realistic it is given the numerous older apartment buildings, duplexes, etc. on Lake. It seems like a lot would have to be torn down to make the kind of entertainment corridor I think you're envisioning.

I'm not sure if it's any more practical but another way to tie the two together would be to resurrect the Como-Harriet line from the Greenway to France(-ish). The right-of-way mostly still exists and is in public hands. Not sure we could legally use all of it though due to safety considerations (modern streetcar through an alley?!?).

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby Tiller » September 29th, 2017, 9:51 pm

David Greene wrote:
September 29th, 2017, 9:24 pm
Not sure we could legally use all of it though due to safety considerations (modern streetcar through an alley?!?).
Let's do it. ;)
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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby seanrichardryan » September 30th, 2017, 1:55 pm

Too much black, but i think they're trying to hide some mass, which is a trick most women know.
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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby aeisenberg » October 1st, 2017, 6:07 am

Oh yay, they’re bringing back that horrendous 70’s fake mansard roof thing and adding an ugly turret to boot. :( Also, it should really step down to meet the human-scale older buildings around it. Going to look real tacky if built like this.
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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby aeisenberg » October 1st, 2017, 6:09 am

seanrichardryan wrote:
September 30th, 2017, 1:55 pm
Too much black, but i think they're trying to hide some mass, which is a trick most women know.
Hey, that comment is really not okay. Don’t say shit like that.
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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby Chef » October 1st, 2017, 12:13 pm

It kind of looks like an updated Excelsior and Grand.

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby seanrichardryan » October 1st, 2017, 3:43 pm

aeisenberg wrote:
October 1st, 2017, 6:09 am
seanrichardryan wrote:
September 30th, 2017, 1:55 pm
Too much black, but i think they're trying to hide some mass, which is a trick most women know.
Hey, that comment is really not okay. Don’t say shit like that.
You're right, I guess that came out wrong. It's not exclusive to any gender. My personal wardrobe is exclusively dark blue and black t-shirts because they make me feel like I look thinner. :| Same goes for wrapping stories 5 & 6 in black.

Thanks god they didn't plop one of those crowns on this, like Excelsior & Grand or Kensington Park in Richfield.
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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby NickP » October 7th, 2017, 11:27 am

seanrichardryan wrote:
October 1st, 2017, 3:43 pm
aeisenberg wrote:
October 1st, 2017, 6:09 am
seanrichardryan wrote:
September 30th, 2017, 1:55 pm
Too much black, but i think they're trying to hide some mass, which is a trick most women know.
Hey, that comment is really not okay. Don’t say shit like that.
You're right, I guess that came out wrong. It's not exclusive to any gender. My personal wardrobe is exclusively dark blue and black t-shirts because they make me feel like I look thinner. :| Same goes for wrapping stories 5 & 6 in black.

Thanks god they didn't plop one of those crowns on this, like Excelsior & Grand or Kensington Park in Richfield.
Props on the very civil disagreement folks. Well called out aeisenberg and well taken sean. :-)

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby bapster2006 » November 30th, 2017, 8:43 am

And I was reading this article last night. It has an image of the fjord.

http://www.southwestjournal.com/news/de ... -proposal/

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby Nathan » November 30th, 2017, 10:40 am

Good, I'm glad it's more of an architectural interpretation than something with faux rock etc etc

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby TroyGBiv » November 30th, 2017, 2:49 pm

Nathan wrote:
November 30th, 2017, 10:40 am
Good, I'm glad it's more of an architectural interpretation than something with faux rock etc etc
I was hoping that the Fjord was a water slide!

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby bapster2006 » January 16th, 2018, 6:09 pm

City staff is recommending approval of the Sons of Norway development, including rezoning of where the south building would go at 31st and Holmes.

http://www.minneapolismn.gov/meetings/p ... MSP-207829

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Re: Sons of Norway block redevelopment - 1455 Lake St W

Postby uptown067 » January 17th, 2018, 5:51 pm

seems like they've updated the design of the south building (if i recall the earlier plan correctly). The facade definitely seems random, in a bad way. I suspect it was intended to break up the massing but doesn't seem to work.


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