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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 13th, 2019, 8:29 am
by MattW
David Greene wrote:
August 12th, 2019, 3:00 pm
Two things that might work in Uptown: Schuler Shoes and DQ.

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I did a project for Schuler Shoes recently. I can guarantee you, without dedicated, storefront parking it's a nonstarter for them.

Re: RE: Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 13th, 2019, 8:46 am
by David Greene
MattW wrote:
David Greene wrote:
August 12th, 2019, 3:00 pm
Two things that might work in Uptown: Schuler Shoes and DQ.

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I did a project for Schuler Shoes recently. I can guarantee you, without dedicated, storefront parking it's a nonstarter for them.
I feel like they would get a lot of walk-up business from residents. People underestimate the number of children in the area.

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 13th, 2019, 9:34 am
by VacantLuxuries
This conversation just reminds me how wild everyone went when someone put up fake Taco Johns announcements at the corner of LynLake. A store selling $400 jackets isn't going to bring regular activity to any neighborhood unless it's already a place people are going to spend thousands like its nothing. As far as I'm concerned, that's never been Uptown. But if someone could afford to fill some gaps in the area (like a good, cheap texmex chain) without being gouged as if they're equivalent to Columbia, I could see that being successful.

If the property owners would stop thinking of themselves as a retail destination and more of a neighborhood retail hub, we'd see a shift toward more vibrancy and less vacancy. But that would involve undoing a generation of the traditional wisdom that Uptown is this huge important hip location that needs destination retail, and a moment of introspection on whether they're leasing their retail space at rates appropriate for whats actually sustainable in Uptown.

Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 13th, 2019, 10:55 am
by QuietBlue
VacantLuxuries wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 9:34 am
If the property owners would stop thinking of themselves as a retail destination and more of a neighborhood retail hub, we'd see a shift toward more vibrancy and less vacancy. But that would involve undoing a generation of the traditional wisdom that Uptown is this huge important hip location that needs destination retail, and a moment of introspection on whether they're leasing their retail space at rates appropriate for whats actually sustainable in Uptown.
Exactly. Why would people who don't live in Uptown go there to shop in stores that you can find in suburban malls? Back when Uptown did have destination retail of a sort, it was independent stores and specialized shops you couldn't find elsewhere, most of which couldn't afford to be in Uptown these days, though there are a few left.

Re: RE: Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 13th, 2019, 10:57 am
by QuietBlue
David Greene wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 8:46 am
I feel like they would get a lot of walk-up business from residents. People underestimate the number of children in the area.
Hmm...maybe a Five Below, then?

Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 13th, 2019, 1:07 pm
by alexschief
VacantLuxuries wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 9:34 am
This conversation just reminds me how wild everyone went when someone put up fake Taco Johns announcements at the corner of LynLake. A store selling $400 jackets isn't going to bring regular activity to any neighborhood unless it's already a place people are going to spend thousands like its nothing. As far as I'm concerned, that's never been Uptown. But if someone could afford to fill some gaps in the area (like a good, cheap texmex chain) without being gouged as if they're equivalent to Columbia, I could see that being successful.

If the property owners would stop thinking of themselves as a retail destination and more of a neighborhood retail hub, we'd see a shift toward more vibrancy and less vacancy. But that would involve undoing a generation of the traditional wisdom that Uptown is this huge important hip location that needs destination retail, and a moment of introspection on whether they're leasing their retail space at rates appropriate for whats actually sustainable in Uptown.
Bingo.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 13th, 2019, 2:50 pm
by David Greene
QuietBlue wrote:
David Greene wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 8:46 am
I feel like they would get a lot of walk-up business from residents. People underestimate the number of children in the area.
Hmm...maybe a Five Below, then?
I don't think it could be that specialized. There used to be a children's shoe store and it closed. But I literally can't but a pair of sneakers without leaving the area. It's the kind of thing most people won't buy online. A good general shoe store with good service could make it.

I completely agree that tenants need to serve existing residents and not try to be a regional destination. The Target has been pretty successful AFAICT.

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 14th, 2019, 8:02 am
by mplsmatt
The Dunn Bros. on Hennepin and 25&1/2 has closed rather abruptly. Everything is still in there, just some signs taped to the door that they are closing permanently. I live nearby and this location was usually bustling, so I wonder what happened. Hopefully everyone is okay and the space doesn't sit vacant for as long as it did before Dunn Bros. moved in.

Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 14th, 2019, 1:10 pm
by phop
http://www.startribune.com/famous-dave- ... 538107212/
In July, the company closed the Calhoun Square location that it had operated since 1996. Originally, it planned to downsize the restaurant to fit into its new smaller footprint of one-third the size of its typical footprint as more customers nationwide choose takeout or delivery than dine-in.

Crivello said the restaurant was operating without a lease for two months and could not get a response to their requests to reconfigure the space. Calhoun Square has been for sale since early this year.

A new location in Uptown is expected to open later this year just a few blocks from the former location, Crivello said, but the plans are not yet final.

Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 14th, 2019, 1:50 pm
by luigipaladio
Perhaps what needs to happen with Calhoun Square is that the owners end up having to sell the place at a significant loss and a new owner could come in, lower rents and work to draw in more food and entertainment and services useful to the neighborhood. Urban malls like this just don’t have the drawing power they once did and apparently, the restaurant scene is changing as well.

This property might be more valuable as a tear down for redevelopment with significant housing and a less ambitious amount of space for retail and restaurants. Line the sidewalks with shops serving real needs in the neighborhood and some decent eating places and stop trying to be the Uptown scale Mall of America.

Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 14th, 2019, 1:57 pm
by mattaudio
It's kind of wild that the CB2 and LA Fitness corners are entirely new parts of the complex (replacing old buildings) within the past decade. And they don't include a vertical housing or hotel or even office component. In the case of CB2, I seem to recall the previous building had multiple storefronts AND a second floor - so the use we have now is less active and intense than the previous land use.

I don't think the complex needs to go, but it definitely needs to keep moving in the direction of being "less of a mall." Maybe Ackerberg can sell the vacant lot in front of the parking ramp, and focus instead of redeveloping one or two pieces of the site with more intense use.

Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 15th, 2019, 7:47 am
by COLSLAW5
mattaudio wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 1:57 pm
Maybe Ackerberg can sell the vacant lot in front of the parking ramp, and focus instead of redeveloping one or two pieces of the site with more intense use
This whole mall, parking ramp and vacant lot are actually all for sale right now

Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 15th, 2019, 8:34 am
by mplsjaromir
mattaudio wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 1:57 pm
It's kind of wild that the CB2 and LA Fitness corners are entirely new parts of the complex (replacing old buildings) within the past decade. And they don't include a vertical housing or hotel or even office component. In the case of CB2, I seem to recall the previous building had multiple storefronts AND a second floor - so the use we have now is less active and intense than the previous land use.
It also had a basement that was once a bar.

Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Posted: August 15th, 2019, 4:51 pm
by PhilmerPhil
I just heard that the Uptown Lund’s will be undergoing renovation soon. So for any of those of you that had a sliver of hope that maybe one day in the near future they would consider redevelopment or moving into an unannounced mixed use project nearby, those hopes can be put on pause for now. I hope they can at least add some more dignified bike parking.