O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

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O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby at40man » February 28th, 2018, 8:52 pm

https://www.twincities.com/2018/02/28/d ... ler-tavern

This would make me sad, I am a regular patron of the establishment.

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Postby Anondson » March 1st, 2018, 9:12 am

I used to live on Hague, my property physically touched the back wall of the Garage. I would love this if it meant the performances playing until 2am were quieter.

We had no driveway when we bought the house so I tore down a retaining wall and put in a new one that let me put in a driveway to park off street so we didn’t have to park on the street and deal with O’Gara’s drunks stumbling out at bar close. We still moved after a few years because the late night drums from the bands was too much.

I want to know how much can be built without special permission by the city?

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Postby mamundsen » March 1st, 2018, 11:58 am

I wonder exactly which part(s) would be torn down? Would this be the full block? Does Neighborhood café and the other stores along Selby need to relocate?

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Postby seanrichardryan » March 1st, 2018, 8:28 pm

These are the properties in O'Gara family control.

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Re: St. Paul Restaurant News

Postby Anondson » March 1st, 2018, 9:25 pm

They bought 1557? Huh. I knew they owned 1559 when I lived there. The O’Gara’s cook lived in 1551 when I sold 1557 to one of the family members of Bailey’s Nursery back about 16-17 years ago.

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Postby kirby96 » March 2nd, 2018, 9:45 am

Not to dismiss the noise that neighbors must have experienced (and still probably do), but I fear this likely means the death of yet another live music venue.

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby twincitizen » April 12th, 2018, 8:00 am

Anyone know if there's something brewing across the street from here? A friend just moved out of a triplex on the south side of Hague (facing the O'Garas parking lot). Owners told her that they were selling and that it would be torn down. She was in the 2nd house in from Park Liquors, so maybe it's a project that would replace Park Liquors and at least two houses? Or she could have been misinformed by the owners and nothing is happening

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby EOst » April 12th, 2018, 8:28 am

Park Liquors is zoned T2, but everything else there is RT1. I don't know how much appetite there would be to rezone those parcels so soon after the South Snelling study.

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby LakeCharles » April 12th, 2018, 8:39 am

This sentence: "There’s a new Dunkin’ Donuts being proposed for Snelling and Hague" was in this article: http://www.citypages.com/news/a-st-paul ... /479469783 . Is that related?

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Postby seanrichardryan » April 12th, 2018, 8:39 am

The 3 of the houses in the O'Gara's development are also RT1. There's nothing to stop them from asking.
Also of note, Ryan Companines will be at the UPDC Land Use meeting on Monday to continue the discussion. I'd expect at a minimum a massing study, but hopefully more.
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Postby seanrichardryan » April 12th, 2018, 8:40 am

LakeCharles wrote:
April 12th, 2018, 8:39 am
This sentence: "There’s a new Dunkin’ Donuts being proposed for Snelling and Hague" was in this article: http://www.citypages.com/news/a-st-paul ... /479469783 . Is that related?
YEP. Image

And a Red's Savoy too. The neighborhood asked for more density- QA below.

http://unionparkdc.org/sites/default/fi ... opment.pdf
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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby twincitizen » April 12th, 2018, 9:52 am

Dunkin & Savoys are proposed across Snelling on the DQ lot. My inquiry was about the properties on Hague east of Snelling

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby bubzki2 » April 12th, 2018, 10:13 am

The timing on this might be interesting, if there is a proposal in the works for the Park Liquors site. St. Paul is considering eliminating all parking requirements on and around Snelling, similar to what was done on University. The DQ site's developers were adamant that the lack of the house behind the site being willing to sell eliminated the chance for underground/structured parking to meet the requirements (by the city or perceived need). The Park Liquors site must be similar in size, although if the neighbors adjacent on Hague/Snelling are open to a sale, the parking may allow some height and less/no surface parking. The O'Gara's development will make this an even more obvious target for redevelopment.

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby seanrichardryan » April 12th, 2018, 11:43 am

oh, yeah- not related to the other Hague properties. I have heard that Park Liquors was quietly for sale in the past.
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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby alexschief » April 12th, 2018, 12:32 pm

If Park Liquors is redeveloped, where will underage Macalester students buy their alcohol???

I'm reversing my negative position on reactionary St. Paul anti-development moratoriums, effective immediately. #SaveOurStPaulPark(s)

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby LakeCharles » April 12th, 2018, 2:51 pm

alexschief wrote:
April 12th, 2018, 12:32 pm
If Park Liquors is redeveloped, where will underage Macalester students buy their alcohol???
Haha, I had the exact same thought. The only reason that place stays in business, would be my guess.

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby Homewood2009 » April 13th, 2018, 6:07 am

LakeCharles wrote:
April 12th, 2018, 8:39 am
This sentence: "There’s a new Dunkin’ Donuts being proposed for Snelling and Hague" was in this article: http://www.citypages.com/news/a-st-paul ... /479469783 . Is that related?
I wish Dunkin Donuts would open some locations in downtown Minneapolis. Just spent a week on the east coast and I'm already missing it. :) Starbucks is just about the worst thing ever, it always tastes burnt. Guess I'll be spending more time in St. Paul.

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby amiller92 » April 16th, 2018, 10:15 am

We have Dunn Brothers and Caribou and Peace Coffee and Penny's and whatever other non-Starbucks options.

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby seanrichardryan » April 16th, 2018, 9:10 pm

Very preliminary site plan and massing model-

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Re: O'Gara's Development - 164 Snelling Ave N

Postby EOst » April 16th, 2018, 9:37 pm

That parking entrance on Snelling is bleh.


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