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244 4th Street E

Postby mulad » October 13th, 2016, 6:10 pm

Oaks Properties has applied for a permit for a 70-unit apartment building across the street from Union Depot, in the parking lots behind Kelly's Depot Bar at 244 4th Street East. If approved, Frana Cos. would be the builder and Kaas Wilson the architects. A variance is needed for the floor area ratio (not clear from this article whether it's too high or too low).

http://www.twincities.com/2016/10/13/70 ... ion-depot/

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Re: 244 4th Street E

Postby grant1simons2 » October 13th, 2016, 7:49 pm

It’s not every day that a developer submits plans for an entirely new building in downtown St. Paul.
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Re: 244 4th Street E

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Re: 244 4th Street E

Postby mister.shoes » October 14th, 2016, 8:00 pm

Hey, that looks great.
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Re: 244 4th Street E

Postby MNdible » October 15th, 2016, 11:48 pm

Hey, that looks banal but mostly inoffensive.

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Re: 244 4th Street E

Postby Shearwater » November 10th, 2016, 1:41 pm

Job site office trailer placed this week, existing parking lot torn up yesterday. Looks like they are moving ahead with construction this fall, not waiting.

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Re: 244 4th Street E

Postby Legion_of_Doom » November 28th, 2016, 11:01 pm

I still think residential apartments are in a bubble down here, but time will tell. Custom House is filling up with hundreds of new apartments that just went online. The former commercial building on Sibley between 4th and 5th is currently being renovated to apartments, which will be hundreds more. The Jax building is set to be renovated. This building in the lot above Kelly's Depot. Apparently developers are eyeballing the parking lots next to the building that houses Black Dog.

The problem is there is a finite market for $1500-2500 luxury apartments. If the economic and real estate bubble pops anytime soon the developers are in trouble. And this is just Lowertown I'm referring to. Think of all the new residential construction over on W 7th near Xcel. I think St Paul got a little too hyped on downtown residential and it may end up being just a short term phase propagated by bored millenials who will be moving out soon due to $2000 rents.

I digress though. This development specifically seems OK and fitting of the the surrounding buildings. It appears garage access is through the Kelly's lot which I imagine Kelly's will benefit from financially. Which is good because that bar is an institution in the neighborhood and I hope it remains for a long long time. Tearing it down and building a ten story residential building there would be a damn shame. I would rather have 1 Kelly's in the neighborhood than 3 new generic craft beer bars or brewpubs.

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Re: 244 4th Street E

Postby Shearwater » December 7th, 2016, 3:59 pm

As a fairly new resident of Lowertown, I feel the same way: how much higher end housing and restaurants can this neighborhood absorb without more jobs. I love my neighborhood, I don't want to see it overshoot the market.

The site continues to be cleared and it looks like they started to drive piles this week. The parking lot that was there was falling down the hill so I think in this case, apartments are an improvement.

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Re: 244 4th Street E

Postby Shearwater » August 18th, 2017, 7:12 am

2nd floor (3rd?) completed. I assumed this would be steel studs but everything above the ground floor appears to be wood framing. Sorry about the rotation on the file.
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Re: 244 4th Street E

Postby rhettcarlson » January 23rd, 2018, 11:39 am

Photo update on this project:
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Re: 244 4th Street E

Postby alexschief » January 23rd, 2018, 1:23 pm

Downtown St. Paul still has a surprising number of lots available for contextual, 7-13 story apartment or condo buildings. Hoping this development really succeeds and sparks similar projects, because there's no place in the Twin Cities with more potential to be a truly great urban neighborhood.


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