Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby min-chi-cbus » April 4th, 2017, 8:36 am

That's too bad.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby bapster2006 » April 4th, 2017, 4:52 pm

The PLACE development has already been downsized, and there is one of those worthless online petitions to get rid of it. To me, someone sitting in their chair in front of the TV and clicking a button doesn't carry any weight. Remember that petition to have the west coast of the US succeed from the union? That got real far didn't it.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby Anondson » April 12th, 2017, 7:50 pm

A report with quotes from the council members who voted against.

http://sailor.mnsun.com/2017/04/12/st-l ... velopment/

You can always count on Sue Sanger to provide the skeptic perspective on multifamily housing. But so many others carried water for NIMBYs here disappointingly.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby Multimodal » April 12th, 2017, 7:59 pm

Removing the affordable housing seemed almost vindictive.

Does it need to be 6 stories to support the 3 levels of underground parking? Seems like a lot of parking for being half a mile from a future light rail station.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby Anondson » April 12th, 2017, 8:08 pm

Multimodal wrote:Removing the affordable housing seemed almost vindictive.
Almost. Many Minikahda Vista residents were demanding no affordable units.

Though I'd love to see the developer turn around and propose a 100% affordable development (call it workforce housing?), four story, heavy TIF to call the council members' bluff about density.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby Multimodal » April 12th, 2017, 8:14 pm

Weren't their houses "affordable" when they bought them 50 years ago? How could they deny that to other people? As you know, houses in that neighborhood are $400k+.

Ha ha. A 100% affordable development. But it sounds like the fallback plan is a 6 story office building? Not sure how that's better?

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Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby Anondson » April 12th, 2017, 8:44 pm

Many residents of the neighborhood bought in in the past fifteen years, where prices had already pushed this neighborhood into being North Morningside. The threatened office development is in every way that the majority of opponents claimed to be against, worse. More traffic, less active street, yeah...

But the office won't need any approvals from the city that would derail it.

I still go back to something the city leaders did way back when Excelsior and Grand was just being planned. They set aside right of way for a future street north out of Excelsior and Grand to Monterey. Street never got built intending to do it when the area filled in and would need it. Like it needs it now. The northbound street from Wolfe Parkway was forecast to divert 1,400 vehicles per day, nearly equal to the amount of trips the Bridgewater/Dominium proposal would generate. Shr

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby go4guy » April 19th, 2017, 6:29 pm

Anondson wrote:
April 12th, 2017, 8:44 pm
Many residents of the neighborhood bought in in the past fifteen years, where prices had already pushed this neighborhood into being North Morningside. The threatened office development is in every way that the majority of opponents claimed to be against, worse. More traffic, less active street, yeah...

But the office won't need any approvals from the city that would derail it.

I still go back to something the city leaders did way back when Excelsior and Grand was just being planned. They set aside right of way for a future street north out of Excelsior and Grand to Monterey. Street never got built intending to do it when the area filled in and would need it. Like it needs it now. The northbound street from Wolfe Parkway was forecast to divert 1,400 vehicles per day, nearly equal to the amount of trips the Bridgewater/Dominium proposal would generate. Shr
For the life of me, I an not figure out where this planned street is, or where Wolfe Parkway is that would divert traffic from here. Can you help me out, because it is really bugging me that I can't figure out what you are referring to.

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Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby Anondson » April 20th, 2017, 7:21 pm

If you pull up the Hennepin County property map and zoom to Excelsior and Grand you can see the past city council fantasy hopes for future street ROW. You can see the one from Monterey to Wolfe Parkway I mentioned, plus a weird one meandering through the Park Nicollet rear parking lot that was intended to create a new street linking Target to Excelsior and Grand's west edge.

I'll try to get some screen captures of the weird ROW around Excelsior and Grand.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby sdho » April 20th, 2017, 7:55 pm

Councilmember Tom Miller said the proposed building might work in the West End area or along Highway 7, but he said, “I think the biggest and most important thing here is I just don’t feel like this building fits onto Excelsior Boulevard.”
This statement is sort of bizarre to me. Of course it "fits" in here -- it is very similar to Excelsior and Grand, which is across the street and beloved. I know there is also development interest along Hwy 7 (especially CSAH 25 portion), but I would 10 to 1 rather have my mixed-use building on a mixed-use corridor like Excelsior.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby Anondson » April 20th, 2017, 8:43 pm

Here are some annotated screen captures of the Excelsior and Grand unused ROW, reserved for future streets.
ImageExcelsior and Grand mystery ROWs by Eric Anondson, on Flickr
ImageExcelsior and Grand with marked ROWs by Eric Anondson, on Flickr
I'm not sure what it would take to get this council to ever fulfill a street in the ROW linking Monterey and Wolfe if this project wasn't going to be a reason.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby Multimodal » May 3rd, 2017, 10:55 am

Maybe they're waiting for either of the apartments adjacent to the Wolfe Parkway extension to redevelop (although the one north of Monterey just got a new paint job, so no redevelopment there any time soon).

Either (or both) of those potential streets would be a godsend. It is so hard to get from place to place there; or get in or out. Really brings home the problems when you don't have a street grid of any kind.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby David Greene » May 3rd, 2017, 1:25 pm

Anondson wrote:
April 12th, 2017, 7:50 pm
A report with quotes from the council members who voted against.

http://sailor.mnsun.com/2017/04/12/st-l ... velopment/
Very glad to see that Tim Brausen was the lone supporter. I know him well. We haven't always agreed (though we do 95% of the time) but I could always count on him giving serious thought to ideas. He checked off all the things we've talked about in the past: affordable housing, density, transit and the importance of co-locating all three.

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Re: Excelsior and Grand Area Development - St. Louis Park

Postby Anondson » May 4th, 2017, 9:53 pm

The six no-votes did come up with reasons not to go with the proposal.

http://sailor.mnsun.com/2017/05/04/st-l ... r-project/

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