Suburbs - General Topics

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Postby mattaudio » August 11th, 2014, 12:09 pm

Actually, yes, they should consider rejecting them. Cities, whether suburb or otherwise, need to start rejecting projects that result in negative municipal cash flow over multiple life cycles. My guess is that this project is not cash flow neutral, but of course deeper #dothemath analysis would need to be done.

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Postby Rich » August 11th, 2014, 12:21 pm

And what about State Farm? What rights do they have regarding the sale of their own land?

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Postby mattaudio » August 11th, 2014, 12:50 pm

The right to use or sell their land in a way that does not increase the taxes of or require subsidy by the other landowners of a political division.

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Postby Rich » August 11th, 2014, 1:07 pm

So a person has no right to sell land to a city, for instance, if the city intends to increase taxes in order to fund a transit station or bike trail on the land?

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Postby mattaudio » August 11th, 2014, 1:12 pm

That would be a net improvement though. We're talking about a land use where #dothemath shows that it has a net negative public cash flow. That means the public is subsidizing its very existence, and where the city and its residents would have more money if the place didn't exist in the first place. It's "negative growth" meaning it is growth that generates less in total tax revenue than the public cost to serve it. http://urban-three.com/

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Postby Snelbian » August 11th, 2014, 1:58 pm

Rich wrote:plans that don't accomodate cars?
Strawman would be an understatement. There's a very clear, large difference between "not building a sprawling, low-density development 100% reliant on car traffic" and "not accomodating cars". Nobody is even remotely suggesting that Woodbury should be building tiny copies of central Venice.

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Postby Rich » August 11th, 2014, 2:45 pm

That’s a fair criticism. I’ll try again. Say you’re a suburban mayor. A landowner is selling to a developer who’ll bring over 2,000 jobs to your city, but at the moment your city’s infrastructure can pretty much only accomodate cars. How do you convince your car-dependent constituents that the deal (and all those jobs) should be nixed due to the fact that it’s too accomodating to cars?

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Postby mattaudio » August 11th, 2014, 2:51 pm

It doesn't have anything to do with cars vs no cars (but, aside, is there actually anything in America that isn't accommodating of cars?)...
It has everything to do with positive value vs negative value.

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Postby Snelbian » August 11th, 2014, 2:52 pm

Rich wrote:That’s a fair criticism. I’ll try again. Say you’re a suburban mayor. A landowner is selling to a developer who’ll bring over 2,000 jobs to your city, but at the moment your city’s infrastructure can pretty much only accomodate cars. How do you convince your car-dependent constituents that the deal (and all those jobs) should be nixed due to the fact that it’s too accomodating to cars?
You don't. You work with the developer on something better and make some compromises (on both sides). There is no reason that the buildings have to be scattered like that. No reason there can't be better pedestrian connections inside and on the way in. No reason, at least, that should make a developer say they just can't or won't do it. I'd bet anything Woodbury simply didn't bother.
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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby Anondson » August 11th, 2014, 2:53 pm

I'd reverse and start by saying the proposed type of development commits the future taxpayers to very high levels of infrastructure financial support that alternatives offer less of a financial hit to city coffers of the future.

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Postby seanrichardryan » August 12th, 2014, 11:47 am

'Hopkins- the Hippest Suburb?
If there is a recipe for what’s trendy in big-city neighborhoods, Hopkins already has all the ingredients.'

http://www.vita.mn/food-drink/270927501.html
Q. What, what? A. In da butt.

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Postby David Greene » August 12th, 2014, 12:15 pm

seanrichardryan wrote:'Hopkins- the Hippest Suburb?
If there is a recipe for what’s trendy in big-city neighborhoods, Hopkins already has all the ingredients.'

http://www.vita.mn/food-drink/270927501.html
It is so great to see how Hopkins is developing. When CR 18 was upgraded to US 169, severing Main Street in the process, downtown Hopkins almost died. It took a long time to come back but it's got good momentum now!

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Postby Anondson » August 22nd, 2014, 10:14 pm

Plymouth is debating allowing "density". It will amaze you!

http://sailor.mnsun.com/2014/08/22/neig ... -plymouth/

[couldn't resist the link-bait]

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Postby seanrichardryan » August 26th, 2014, 7:00 am

Q. What, what? A. In da butt.

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Postby min-chi-cbus » August 26th, 2014, 8:42 am

They call that sprawl? We'll show you sprawl!

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Postby Tcmetro » August 26th, 2014, 9:45 am

Well, you can't expect everyone to live in high rise apartments. Even the wealthy in HK and Singapore have SFHs, and they are quite common in Japan. Certainly, the streetscape in new Chinese developments leaves a lot to be desired, but the Chinese heavily use public transit and taxis despite the roadway layouts.

If one really wants to nerd out, you can take a look at Chinese Street View: http://map.qq.com/

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Postby Smoothuser » August 27th, 2014, 7:00 am

Tcmetro wrote: If one really wants to nerd out, you can take a look at Chinese Street View: http://map.qq.com/
And there goes my day.

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Postby grant1simons2 » September 3rd, 2014, 11:44 am

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/273771591.html

Big news for Excelsior. One of my favorite burbs

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Postby Anondson » September 6th, 2014, 6:47 pm

Suburbs are booming with industrial construction.

http://www.startribune.com/business/274152161.html

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Postby Anondson » September 10th, 2014, 1:54 pm

The Grandview redevelopment got four proposals.

http://m.bizjournals.com/twincities/blo ... -site.html


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