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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby twincitizen » February 16th, 2017, 7:47 am

Looks like they moved forward with the breakup at yesterday's meeting (it was only on the agenda as a discussion item...so this is moving quickly). Meeting scheduled for March 3 to set the terms of dissolution: http://finance-commerce.com/2017/02/tra ... n-breakup/
CTIB and the counties have to notify the state Department of Revenue of the intent to dissolve by the end of March in order to make the existing quarter-cent tax go away and to replace it with a new tax that would take effect July 1.
For now, it looks like only Hennepin and Ramsey counties will bump their tax up to a half-cent, McLaughlin said. The other three counties represented on the board will keep it at a quarter-cent but will have more flexibility and control over the money, he said. The counties could use the tax money for roads, transit, transit operations and “Safe Routes to School” projects, Richardson said.
Something we need to keep our eye on is making sure Hennepin and Ramsey Counties dedicate 100% of their sales tax proceeds to transit & non-motorized (i.e. not roads). With McLaughlin at the helm, I think we have less to worry about in Hennepin, especially since they need to pay for Southwest and Bottineau, plus the operation costs when those lines open. Ramsey County probably isn't as certain politically-speaking, but they also have a lot on the docket (Riverview, Rush, part of Gold Line) and probably don't raise enough money to be dedicating any to road projects. Maybe isn't a huge threat in the near-term, but definitely something to keep an eye on and email your county commissioner. If you live in Dakota or Anoka County, it's pretty much guaranteed that some of the tax proceeds will shifted to road projects.

EDIT: Also, if you're planning any major furniture or appliance purchases, you might wanna take care of that before July 1 ;)

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby Anondson » February 16th, 2017, 8:52 am

What's coming on July 1 that makes those purchases worth thinking about?

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby talindsay » February 16th, 2017, 9:05 am

A sales tax increase...

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby Silophant » February 16th, 2017, 9:07 am

An additional .25% sales tax, in Hennepin and Ramsey Counties at least.

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby jebr » February 16th, 2017, 9:11 am

Is there any major concern that either the Northstar or Red Line would go away, since most of their funding is from Anoka and Dakota County, respectively? Or do they seem committed to at least funding their portion of those two services?

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby talindsay » February 16th, 2017, 9:48 am

I have concern that they might *not* go away...

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby QuietBlue » February 16th, 2017, 10:24 am

I don't see why they would stop funding them. They want transit and the lines are already in place.

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby Silophant » February 16th, 2017, 10:26 am

Back when they decided to pull out of the CTIB, it seemed like Dakota County was still pretty committed to keeping the Red Line going/still getting the Burnsville portion of the Orange Line.

Northstar, I'm not so sure about, since it requires a lot more subsidy and because Anoka County seems a lot more ideologically committed to freeways über alles.

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby MNdible » February 16th, 2017, 10:38 am

I believe that the commitments that the counties made while the CTIB was in place remain binding even if they dissolve it. Just guessing here, but I think it would take an act of the legislature to change the enabling legislation to allow a county to walk away from their promised funding commitments.

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby RailBaronYarr » February 16th, 2017, 1:17 pm

That MinnPost article notes:
Anoka County’s Schulte said he thinks his fellow commissioners will vote to impose a quarter-cent tax — the same level it now collects for CTIB — because it must continue to cover half of the annual operating costs of the Northstar commuter rail service from Big Lake to Target Center. He said he didn’t expect commissioners would take advantage of the other quarter cent.
Seems like the biggest hurdle will be how the current funds are apportioned. Dakota seems to want all existing funds (including 2017 sales tax revenue) just allocated to each county to do with as they please, while the board's proposal with support from most counties intends to honor the capital and operating grants CTIB has already committed to (plus administrative costs and a contingency fund), THEN allocate remaining funds to counties according to sales tax revenue share. The latter does benefit Hennepin County, since CTIB has already committed a good amount of cashe toward SWLRT, etc. But I also think it's the most fair, since Dakota County was actually involved in approving those grants in the first place.

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby EOst » February 16th, 2017, 6:08 pm

Looks like Ramsey's going to have a public hearing for the half-cent tax on March 14th.

I agree that none of this tax revenue should go to plain road construction, but if a couple percentage points could be diverted to bike and ped projects it would have an outsize impact.

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby Qhaberl » February 17th, 2017, 10:17 am

If Hennepin Will be raising its sales tax, does that mean that we might be able to get the arterial bus rapid transit System built sooner? What other types of improvements would we see?


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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby RailBaronYarr » February 17th, 2017, 10:53 am

It has been brought up before, but yes (I'd hope). CTIB has a (stupid) limitation that its money can only go toward "transitways," which doesn't include aBRT. Free from that, I sure hope that a larger transit pot, and at a county level, would make doing the sub-$50m projects a practical option.

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Re: RE: Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby David Greene » February 17th, 2017, 4:31 pm

RailBaronYarr wrote:It has been brought up before, but yes (I'd hope). CTIB has a (stupid) limitation that its money can only go toward "transitways," which doesn't include aBRT. Free from that, I sure hope that a larger transit pot, and at a county level, would make doing the sub-$50m projects a practical option.
It may seem stupid now but at the time the fear was that the legislature would cut bus funding and CTIB would have to backfill. The transitways requirement exists to ensure the sales tax actually built out transit. If you want to cast blame, cast it towards those who decided aBRT isn't a transitway.

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby kbee » February 18th, 2017, 1:29 pm

If you want to cast blame, cast it towards those who decided aBRT isn't a transitway.
That would be CTIB...

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Re: RE: Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby talindsay » February 20th, 2017, 12:14 pm

David Greene wrote:
February 17th, 2017, 4:31 pm
It may seem stupid now but at the time the fear was that the legislature would cut bus funding and CTIB would have to backfill. The transitways requirement exists to ensure the sales tax actually built out transit.
And to that point, that's a real risk of this change. The counties are all thinking of that sweet extra money they can get, but now there's nothing preventing the Legislature from saying the counties need to use this transit funding to pay for the base bus services. In fact, I predict that's exactly what will happen.

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby jebr » February 20th, 2017, 12:36 pm

I believe a lot of the state general operating assistance comes from the state vehicle tax, of which "not less than 40%" must be used for public transit assistance per a Constitutional amendment.

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/ss/ssmvst.pdf

So there's a chance any additional funding from the state would go away, but how much revenue is that? The bulk of the revenue appears to be somewhat safe, unless a constitutional amendment comes through to change it (which, while possible, would be a lot more involved than simply a new law or some reallocation of funds.)

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Re: Counties Transit Improvement Board (CTIB)

Postby VAStationDude » February 20th, 2017, 1:17 pm

The problem is metro mobility can't be cut and it eats up much of the mvst.


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