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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 16th, 2017, 9:31 am
by Qhaberl
It didn't work for them, but as with anything new there is a learning time. I think that just because China didn't get it right, doesn't mean that we can't.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Seattle.

It sounds like it's not the bike share program that's a problem, it's the people.


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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 16th, 2017, 9:45 am
by VacantLuxuries
It sounds like it's not the bike share program that's a problem, it's the people.
That's going to be a problem no matter where schemes like this are set up. People, as a whole, suck.

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 16th, 2017, 10:16 am
by Qhaberl
VacantLuxuries wrote:
It sounds like it's not the bike share program that's a problem, it's the people.
That's going to be a problem no matter where schemes like this are set up. People, as a whole, suck.



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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 16th, 2017, 11:23 am
by SurlyLHT
If you do a quick Google Search there are plenty of articles about the success of biking sharing in China. I think a dockless system might work in Minneapolis. The Nice Ride bikes are already tracked so you could do the same with a dockless system. Also Downtown where bike sharing is popular has the DID Ambassadors to help keep the bikes in correct locations. I also have noticed that lots of people don't dock their Nice Rides and instead leave them out in front of restaurant or as I saw yesterday beside them at a table at the Commons. What thing that really cool about these bikes is that there are more affordable than current bike sharing systems.

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 16th, 2017, 12:23 pm
by amiller92
SurlyLHT wrote:
August 16th, 2017, 11:23 am
The Nice Ride bikes are already tracked so you could do the same with a dockless system.
Are they? I thought they just track where they are docked and undocked.
I also have noticed that lots of people don't dock their Nice Rides and instead leave them out in front of restaurant or as I saw yesterday beside them at a table at the Commons.
I always hope those people understand that they are paying by the hour. ETA: Or half hour I guess if you don't have a membership.

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 16th, 2017, 12:50 pm
by SurlyLHT
I think they are tracking them given that Nice Ride provides that fun animated map showing where all the bikes going around the cities. I once tried telling a couple from Europe that they should move their bikes 50 feet so they don't get charged extra while they dined. Well...that failed partially due to a language barrier.

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 16th, 2017, 1:39 pm
by Qhaberl
Where does one find that map?


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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 16th, 2017, 1:45 pm
by seanrichardryan

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 16th, 2017, 1:59 pm
by SurlyLHT

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 25th, 2017, 12:31 am
by Anondson
Work to begin in 2018 on a multi use trail connecting Ridgedale with Minnetonka Mills, most importantly the Lake Minnetonka Regional Trail.

http://sailor.mnsun.com/2017/08/24/minn ... oad-trail/

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 25th, 2017, 6:36 am
by SurlyLHT
Work is also beginning on 94 crossing between Cedar Riverside and Downtown Mpls on Aug 28th

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: August 28th, 2017, 5:52 pm
by EOst
Nice Ride and Our Streets are having a conversation (with Nice Ride issuing an RFP) about dockless bike share: https://www.facebook.com/events/132580497275622/

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: September 1st, 2017, 5:11 pm
by Mooglemuffins
Have they been marking out a bunch of new 'Bike Boulevards' around Longfellow recently? I live near Hi-Lake and suddenly like...all the streets around my house have BIKE BLVD painted on them. Idk if they were blvd's before but the markings faded or if they're actually new or what.

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: September 2nd, 2017, 7:28 am
by EOst

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: September 3rd, 2017, 11:03 pm
by Anondson
Cedar Lake Regional trail crossings in SLP at Wooddale and Belt Line have long gotten articles over bicyclists-behaving-badly, now the Blake Road and 11th Ave crossings in Hopkins get their turn with an article.

http://www.startribune.com/the-drive-st ... 442639203/

I have even tried glancing in the comments.


Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: September 4th, 2017, 2:59 pm
by SkyScraperKid
Anondson wrote:
September 3rd, 2017, 11:03 pm
Cedar Lake Regional trail crossings in SLP at Wooddale and Belt Line have long gotten articles over bicyclists-behaving-badly, now the Blake Road and 11th Ave crossings in Hopkins get their turn with an article.

http://www.startribune.com/the-drive-st ... 442639203/

I have even tried glancing in the comments.
Wait, what is the problem again?..
the problem arises when a driver in the inside lane stops to allow a cyclist to cross, but a motorist in the outside lane who doesn’t see or expect the cyclist does not. That puts both parties on a collision course when cyclists run stop signs. Motorists have complained,
:?: :?:

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: September 4th, 2017, 3:14 pm
by Anondson
Complaints that mounted cyclists don’t stop at the stop signs at Blake Road and just rush across four lanes traffic. It’s almost a four lane death road, but there is a modest median for crossing.

The story misses the greater cluster f#ck around Blake Road’s trail crossing, that there is such wide spread driver miseducation around what drivers are expected to do at these trail crossings when cyclists approach to cross.

I seriously can’t wait for the coming bike trail tunnel under Blake because confused drivers make crossing Blake a nightmare.

Re: RE: Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: September 4th, 2017, 5:19 pm
by David Greene

Anondson wrote: The story misses the greater cluster f#ck around Blake Road’s trail crossing, that there is such wide spread driver miseducation around what drivers are expected to do at these trail crossings when cyclists approach to cross.
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Seems to me there's just as much cyclist miseducation about what cyclists are supposed to do...

Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: September 4th, 2017, 5:31 pm
by Anondson
Well, yeah, but the basic premise of the story is basically entirely around the cyclist miseducation. But at Blake Road, with about 10,000 cars going past the trail crossing, the quantity of confused drivers outnumbered the confused cyclists.

And at least the cyclists will have likely passed the controversial SLP Wooddale crossings with their signs saying “cyclists always stop for cars and wait”. All Blake Road drivers get are the vague “Trail Crossing” signs, as if drivers understand the difference with “Pedestrian Crossing” or legal crosswalks anymore since their drivers test.

Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Posted: September 4th, 2017, 9:46 pm
by BoredAgain
I haven't ridden through here in a while. Is it still one of the small stop signs? Any cyclist that rides on trails often is pretty much trained to ignore these because of how they are normally used. They should have an actual signal with detection, but that would be rather expensive and soon to be replaced. For now, they should just put up a full size stop sign and one of the small extra signs that says "cross traffic does not stop" if they want the cyclists to be even more careful. I don't have a great recommendation for making the cars behave in a safe manner aside from the standard (narrow lanes, single lane, stop lights, etc). Intersections like this are the result of engineering failures (speaking as an engineer).

Also, the behavior described in the article as "most dangerous" (partial car stoppage) happens when cars don't do what they are supposed to. The cyclists approaching already know about the intersection and will stop if they don't think they can clear the space.