Bicycle Infrastructure

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EOst
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby EOst » February 2nd, 2016, 11:00 am

There used to be a Warrington Elementary on the vacant area north of Bryant Middle (now the Sabathani Community Center). Attractive old building too from the look of it. The resurfacing project also includes a couple blocks of Central, so perhaps this was a compromise.

SamtheBusNerd
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby SamtheBusNerd » February 2nd, 2016, 4:06 pm

Has anyone seen the new city of Saint Paul website? They have a pretty ambitious list of bike projects for 2016, including off-street cycletracks on sections of Jackson, University, Pelham Blvd, and Wheelock Pkwy: https://www.stpaul.gov/departments/publ ... s/projects.

Not a ton of details so far, but if these all actually happen this could be a pretty great year for bicyclists...

lordmoke
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby lordmoke » February 5th, 2016, 1:22 pm

Question: Who is responsible for keeping the U of M/ DInkytown Greenway clear of snow? Because they suck at it.

Vagueperson
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby Vagueperson » March 3rd, 2016, 5:43 pm

For the last several months I have been promoting Payne Avenue for bike lanes. The St. Paul Bike Plan recommends lanes on Edgerton (they already exist on Edgerton north of Wheelock Pkwy), but this would require the removal of parking on one side of the street, which has been rejected by the neighborhood once or twice before.

Instead of going through that fight again it was clear to me that Payne Avenue is a much better alternative. It is 46' wide between Phalen Blvd and Hawthorne Ave. I originally proposed having widths of 7|2|4|10|10|4|2|7, with a 2' buffer between bike lane and parked cars. I think Public Works would prefer an 11' driving lane and 5' bike lane.

Yesterday the District 5 CPED voted to write a letter of recommendation for this proposal.

masstrlk67
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby masstrlk67 » March 4th, 2016, 10:34 am

I think Metro Transit would object to 10' driving lanes on a high frequency bus route (64 south of Maryland).

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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby mattaudio » March 4th, 2016, 11:03 am

masstrlk67 wrote:I think Metro Transit would object to 10' driving lanes on a high frequency bus route (64 south of Maryland).
Yeah, get rid of the buffer and do the standard 11/5/7 design. Even though we all know there's a difference between painted width and effective width, not a fight that's necessary here just to get two feet of painted buffer.

lordmoke
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby lordmoke » March 4th, 2016, 12:25 pm

Downtown portion of Cedar Lake Trail closing for two weeks starting on the 7th:
http://minneapolismn.gov/news/WCMSP-174734

Vagueperson
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby Vagueperson » March 5th, 2016, 12:25 am

mattaudio wrote:
masstrlk67 wrote:I think Metro Transit would object to 10' driving lanes on a high frequency bus route (64 south of Maryland).
Yeah, get rid of the buffer and do the standard 11/5/7 design. Even though we all know there's a difference between painted width and effective width, not a fight that's necessary here just to get two feet of painted buffer.
I'm certainly not going to fight about how the lines are painted, just working hard to get something.

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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby xandrex » March 29th, 2016, 8:08 am


EOst
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby EOst » March 29th, 2016, 8:54 am

Damn it.

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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby amiller92 » March 29th, 2016, 9:06 am

xandrex wrote:Well that kinda sucks. http://finance-commerce.com/transit/201 ... ign-again/
Boo!

We need to keep a through traffic lane so that people can use it for drop offs in front of (what two building on one side of the street and three on the other?). How about instead those become parking lanes with bump outs and loading zone immediately in front of the building doors?

phop
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby phop » March 29th, 2016, 9:43 am

New designs for the north-south downtown thoroughfare would replace greening previously planned for a low median that separated cyclists from vehicles between Seventh and 12th streets with white, flexible bollards in both directions.
What is the point of this? Were those medians really that much wider?

RailBaronYarr
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby RailBaronYarr » March 29th, 2016, 11:36 am

So wait is this a done-deal? Or are they doing designs to make a decision on the 3-lane current proposal vs the 4-lane one?

intercomnut
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby intercomnut » March 29th, 2016, 12:00 pm

RailBaronYarr wrote:So wait is this a done-deal? Or are they doing designs to make a decision on the 3-lane current proposal vs the 4-lane one?
The Transportation & Public Works Committee still has to vote on which plan to go with.

grant1simons2
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby grant1simons2 » April 13th, 2016, 10:42 pm

Franklin Ave E protected lane between 28th Ave and the bridge:

http://minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/pub ... 177732.pdf

And 11th Ave S:

http://minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/pub ... 177624.pdf

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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby woofner » April 14th, 2016, 12:40 am

Why no left turn on NB 11th at 2nd?
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby twincitizen » April 14th, 2016, 7:36 am

For 11th Ave, there has to be a better way to do the block adjacent to the park (W River Pkwy to 2nd St). I don't know what it is, but there has to be something...

Is this a mill & overlay project? Or just a restriping?

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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby Silophant » April 14th, 2016, 7:45 am

So... How are these parking-protected bike lanes going to be better than the 1st Ave versions that everyone hates?

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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby twincitizen » April 14th, 2016, 7:51 am

Exactly! Lotta suburbanites (and city-dwelling rubes too) driving in to this area. Repeating a failed design that we're about to tear out on 1st Ave seems poorly thought out.

intercomnut
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Re: Bicycle Infrastructure

Postby intercomnut » April 14th, 2016, 7:53 am

Silophant wrote:So... How are these parking-protected bike lanes going to be better than the 1st Ave versions that everyone hates?
Wider bike lanes, wider buffers, and having bollards between the parked cars and the bike lane.

It works well on Oak St near the U of M.


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