Ok. I'll bite....
Chauncey87 wrote:Subway Subway Subway Subway
Too much money.
Elevated rail would have to be at least 60-80 feet high for it not to interfere with the skyways. My guess would make both options seem "cost effective".
I havn't heard anyone talk about elevated rail for Nicolett [sic]. Anyway you could incorporate the skyways if one wanted/had the $
I just do not see the benefit of any sort of trolly system.
I know the are basically interchangeable, but when I think of "trolley" I think of a heritage line like Como-Harriet. Modern streetcars are nice. I see the benefit of streetcar in the intangibles it brings.
Buses stack and having rode along Nicollet mall more times then I can count nothing is more frustrating then watching your bus have to sit though two or three light cycles. How on earth will a trolly be any faster? Considering a bus will be able to move into the opposite lane to pass if the bus in front has to park for a while. How will a trolly be able to do that?
valid concern. But I think there are ways to fix that. Timing of lights better. Keeping Nicolett [sic] mall moving (doing something with taxis would help). Moving all bus off of Nicolett [sic]. Mark Andrew brought up the idea of having the streetcar go on Marquette or Hennipen [sic].
When MPLS had hundreds of miles of trolly tracks it was dense enough then to turn just about each route into its own bus #. So wouldn't the next step be to increase transit capacity? What better way to do that then full on grade segregated rail?
Huh? we are not dense enough for a "trolly" but dense enough for a subway?
Would a trolly have better capacity then a bus? or even an express bus? If the answer is equal or really close then this whole trolly idea needs to really get put on the back burner and the subway idea should be looked at a lot closer.
A streetcar has higher capacity than a regular bus. And most express buses use regular buses ( I think your thinking of the accordion style buses). A streetcar provides a much nicer ride.
If they can't build a subway from Uptown to Downtown there is little hope for anything else at least for 20 years. A streetcar brings different (notice I said "different" not "better") benefits than a subway does. IMO Nicolett [sic], if they can figure out Nicolett [sic] Mall, is prefect for a streetcar (but I live two blocks off Nicolett [sic] so I'm biased)