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Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 12th, 2018, 12:48 pm
by LRV Op Dude
Mall of America Transit Center relocation for Routes 5, 54, 415, 444, 515, 538, 539, 540, 542, METRO Red Line.

https://www.metrotransit.org/mall-of-am ... o-red-line

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 12th, 2018, 5:46 pm
by Qhaberl
What do the current plans look like?


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Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 12th, 2018, 8:55 pm
by thatchio
can't be any worse than it currently is down there. That Red Line platform leaves much to be desired.

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 12th, 2018, 9:23 pm
by Qhaberl
@thatchio - you are right about that. The whole transit station is disgusting. It will be nice to see what they do.


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Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 12th, 2018, 9:42 pm
by Tcmetro
The new station will feature a separate bus entrance, more bus gates, no more bus/train interference, and a direct path to the interior of the mall. It should be really nice, and make the bus connections a lot more convenient.

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 12th, 2018, 10:43 pm
by Qhaberl
Tcmetro wrote:The new station will feature a separate bus entrance, more bus gates, no more bus/train interference, and a direct path to the interior of the mall. It should be really nice, and make the bus connections a lot more convenient.
What do you mean by direct path to the mall? Can you explain a little more?


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Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 12th, 2018, 10:57 pm
by Tcmetro
There will be an access (stair/escalator/elevator) from the 1st floor east side (by the underwater adventures) to the new waiting area.

Check out this video:
https://youtu.be/v8pkTowqshc

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 15th, 2018, 9:38 am
by HiawathaGuy
Qhaberl wrote:
January 12th, 2018, 10:43 pm
What do you mean by direct path to the mall? Can you explain a little more?
I posted the plans on the previous page:

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 15th, 2018, 9:46 am
by SurlyLHT
It's interesting how in the rendering of the new station everyone looks like they're going to a business meeting at MOA. It's almost as if designers use middle to upperclass persons in the renderings to make decision makers view their project more favorably. When in fact some of these projects will benefit primarily lower and middle class folks. What's wrong with spending millions on infrastructure to help lower class persons?

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 15th, 2018, 10:08 am
by MNdible
The people in renderings typically come from an online catalog -- sort of the equivalent of clip art. The selection in these catalogs tends to leave quite a bit to be desired, and tends to stray towards the corporate, but it's unlikely a deliberate decision by the people doing the renderings.

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 15th, 2018, 3:11 pm
by SkyScraperKid
SurlyLHT wrote:
January 15th, 2018, 9:46 am
It's interesting how in the rendering of the new station everyone looks like they're going to a business meeting at MOA. It's almost as if designers use middle to upperclass persons in the renderings to make decision makers view their project more favorably. When in fact some of these projects will benefit primarily lower and middle class folks. What's wrong with spending millions on infrastructure to help lower class persons?
Yes, I completely agree more renderings of homeless passed out drunk in the waiting chairs.

Although... if the renderings actually were accurate and showed mostly low income then wouldn't we be outraged at it implying only poor people ride the bus? um.... It's impossible NOT to be outraged, and that is beyond outrageous! UGH!

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 15th, 2018, 4:43 pm
by SurlyLHT
SkyScraperKid wrote:
January 15th, 2018, 3:11 pm
SurlyLHT wrote:
January 15th, 2018, 9:46 am
It's interesting how in the rendering of the new station everyone looks like they're going to a business meeting at MOA. It's almost as if designers use middle to upperclass persons in the renderings to make decision makers view their project more favorably. When in fact some of these projects will benefit primarily lower and middle class folks. What's wrong with spending millions on infrastructure to help lower class persons?
Yes, I completely agree more renderings of homeless passed out drunk in the waiting chairs.

Although... if the renderings actually were accurate and showed mostly low income then wouldn't we be outraged at it implying only poor people ride the bus? um.... It's impossible NOT to be outraged, and that is beyond outrageous! UGH!
How about a guy with an overstuffed and very Minnesotan jacket on a bench reading the newspaper and a teenager leaning over using their phone?

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: January 16th, 2018, 11:06 am
by Qhaberl
Thanks to whoever posted the video. I it gives me a much better idea of how it looks now versus how it will look.


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Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: February 14th, 2018, 6:50 am
by LRV Op Dude

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: February 14th, 2018, 10:26 am
by tmart
Another re-bid? This seems to be a pattern developing, but I don't feel informed enough to speculate on what the significance is.

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: February 14th, 2018, 11:58 am
by Bakken2016
tmart wrote:
February 14th, 2018, 10:26 am
Another re-bid? This seems to be a pattern developing, but I don't feel informed enough to speculate on what the significance is.
The lowest bid was a couple million over the budget.

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: February 14th, 2018, 1:10 pm
by tmart
Bakken2016 wrote:
February 14th, 2018, 11:58 am
tmart wrote:
February 14th, 2018, 10:26 am
Another re-bid? This seems to be a pattern developing, but I don't feel informed enough to speculate on what the significance is.
The lowest bid was a couple million over the budget.
Sure, same with SWLRT (though there was the subcontractors issue there as well). My question is, this is two large-ish projects in a row that have had this issue; why? Are the budgets being set consistently lower than is feasible? Is the new Met Council director more of a hawk on complying with budgets? Is there a history of bidders intentionally highballing and still getting accepted? Or is this just a coincidence and not actually a meaningful pattern because there are lots of other bids that have gone smoothly and therefore have gone unnoticed?

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: February 14th, 2018, 4:46 pm
by EOst
I think a lot of construction bids are coming in higher than expected, and not just MTC ones. The general building boom is ongoing (arguably accelerating?) and the strong economy/low unemployment rate is probably putting upward pressure on construction wages.

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: February 14th, 2018, 7:13 pm
by Silophant
The before-it-even-hit-the-CPC cancellation of that 40-story project at 33 S 5th St was also blamed on construction bids coming in way higher than expected.

Re: Mall of America Transit Station: Master Plan

Posted: February 14th, 2018, 9:41 pm
by Tiller
tmart wrote:
February 14th, 2018, 10:26 am
Another re-bid? This seems to be a pattern developing, but I don't feel informed enough to speculate on what the significance is.
There's an active labor shortage in the construction trades and the economy is good, so construction inflation is high and affecting all projects like this. This is also the reason why 10 years ago during the recession would have been an ideal time for a large infrastructure bill, but not today. There's only so many workers to go around.