Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

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Multimodal
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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby Multimodal » April 20th, 2018, 6:46 am

Anyone writing a story for Streets.mn about Peter Berge being left off the hook for Scott Spoo’s death while running in St. Paul?

http://www.startribune.com/no-charge-at ... 480259313/


Multimodal
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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby Multimodal » April 20th, 2018, 6:47 am

You know, Peter Berge, the chair of the Ethics Committee of the MN State Bar Hennepin district.

https://www.mnbar.org/about-msba/relate ... trict-four

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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby DanPatchToget » April 24th, 2018, 10:52 pm

http://www.startribune.com/pedestrian-k ... 480768361/

So the pedestrian failed to yield to the driver, but I'm wondering if the pedestrian walked against a red, or was this in one of the turnouts? If it was in a turnout aren't drivers supposed to yield (even though they don't and they're going so fast they wouldn't see a pedestrian)?

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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby mattaudio » April 25th, 2018, 9:11 am

Yeah "pedestrian failed to yield to the driver" is an untrustworthy declaration (by both police and journalists) without sufficient detail to confirm.

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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby thom » April 25th, 2018, 9:27 am

I believe that the only way a pedestrian can fail to yield to a vehicle at an intersection under MN law is if they are directly crossing against a red light.

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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby bubzki2 » April 25th, 2018, 10:33 am

thom wrote:
April 25th, 2018, 9:27 am
I believe that the only way a pedestrian can fail to yield to a vehicle at an intersection under MN law is if they are directly crossing against a red light.
If I recall correctly, the MN statutes basically agree with you. In other words, it's illegal to cross at an intersection when it says "don't cross," but if you cross mid-block (however that's defined) then you can legally cross, but must yield to vehicles in doing so. I've always thought this was a bizarre situation where it's more legal to cross mid-block (at your discretion) than the cross at a controlled intersection (at your discretion).

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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby Anondson » April 29th, 2018, 5:43 pm

This year St. Paul will step up warnings to drivers who stop on crosswalks starting Monday. Then in June will be handing out tickets.

Later in August they will mark whether the blocking driver was endangering and thus hit with a fine and court date.

http://www.startribune.com/the-drive-dr ... 481190871/

I hope this begins a years long effort. Just a summers worth won’t change driver culture of stopping on crosswalks.

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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby SamtheBusNerd » April 29th, 2018, 5:57 pm

Anondson wrote:
April 29th, 2018, 5:43 pm
This year St. Paul will step up warnings to drivers who stop on crosswalks starting Monday. Then in June will be handing out tickets.

Later in August they will mark whether the blocking driver was endangering and thus hit with a fine and court date.

http://www.startribune.com/the-drive-dr ... 481190871/

I hope this begins a years long effort. Just a summers worth won’t change driver culture of stopping on crosswalks.
As someone who was involved in planning some of these events a few years ago, I think it's really frustrating that only St. Paul is doing enforcement. It's been pretty successful in the past in increasing compliance with the law, but it hurts the effort that there's no enforcement in Minneapolis. People get the idea that you only have to stop at crosswalks in St Paul, and not everywhere. At the time I was involved, I was told that both cities receive pedestrian safety funding but Minneapolis was diverting it to other things. Not sure if that's still the case.

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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby nstudenski » May 24th, 2018, 11:37 am

I've been doing some research looking into the impact of public transportation on pedestrian safety. I've been thinking about it ever since I came across this thing earlier this year.
https://www.twincities.com/2018/02/11/s ... ur-trains/

The question I want to answer is whether (as Soucheray believes) a street filled with cars is safer than a street filled with busses/trains. It's been tough.

I found one study that compares the rate of fatalities by vehicle type and a few other factors, but it doesn't really answer my question.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... p00232.pdf

The study breaks trips down into 'urban' and 'rural' categories, but "'Urban’ roadways are defined as those in towns or cities with populations of 5000 or more."

I think this definition downwardly biases the number of pedestrian deaths attributed to cars. A town of 5,000 or even 25,000 likely has fewer buses and fewer pedestrians, who cross less-busy roads. In other words, there are fewer pedestrian deaths and fewer buses, but the number of vehicle-miles driven per person is higher in smaller cities. Similarly, cars spend proportionally more of their time on highways (absent of pedestrians) than do busses.

I also disagree with the study's use of deaths per vehicle mile. Car trips are generally longer than bus trips, and buses carry more passengers than cars.

Unfortunately, I think some of these limitations are attributable to flaws in the data as opposed to flaws in the study. Does anyone know of a treasure-trove of pedestrian death data that I haven't yet stumbled upon? I'm thinking about requesting data from MPD and MTPD. Any insights are very welcome.

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Re: Pedestrian Safety and Infrastructure Improvements

Postby tmart » May 24th, 2018, 11:53 am

I also disagree with the study's use of deaths per vehicle mile. Car trips are generally longer than bus trips, and buses carry more passengers than cars.
Yeah, I imagine those numbers would look dramatically different per-passenger-mile than per-vehicle-mile.


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