Riverview Corridor Streetcar

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby min-chi-cbus » February 14th, 2017, 1:13 pm

How about tunnel under every home that doesn't want to hear train noise...........................paid for by those homeowners?

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby RailBaronYarr » February 23rd, 2017, 3:20 pm

David Levinson's take on the process as of today:

https://transportist.org/2017/02/23/riv ... ernatives/

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby min-chi-cbus » February 24th, 2017, 9:43 am

If they can't pencil out a business case for rail over BRT, rail isn't going to happen. It seems hard enough to get rail passed even when the numbers pencil out.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby DanPatchToget » February 24th, 2017, 10:29 am

He neglected to mention that this will also serve the airport and the Mall of America (unless the MOA is part of "Downtown Bloomington").

Just because there is a cheaper option doesn't automatically mean its the better option.

Also he forgot to mention that in addition to the B Line on Lake/Marshall, a streetcar line is planned on the Midtown Greenway.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby talindsay » February 24th, 2017, 11:04 am

The rail line is expected to carry dramatically more riders than a bus line would; and it's not a zero-sum game. Especially now in the current political climate, it's worth considering that rail represents a somewhat permanent commitment to baseline services, while a bus line - no matter how well constructed - does not. I really like the A line service, and if we had bus lines like that along all our secondary spines that would be really good. But I think the intention is for this to be a primary spine, and there's a lot to be said for those being more permanent.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby talindsay » February 24th, 2017, 11:06 am

Also, I'll note that David Levinson's credibility is stretched by the fact that the blog post immediately preceding this one is him laying out a scenario that would result in Barack Obama becoming president again. That's verging on nihilistic fan fiction.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby hiawather » February 28th, 2017, 2:32 pm

I'm new to this site but am very happy to see the Riverview Corridor being discussed here. It is being discussed intensely in the Hiawatha (and surrounding neighborhoods) and let's just say the discussion is less than enlightening. The "No to Everything!" crowd is pretty up in arms and I was reading about the Oppidian development at 46th and Snelling about a recent public meeting where the "No" group bullied and yelled so I suspect this meeting coming up in a couple days will be the same.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby cooperrez » February 28th, 2017, 2:53 pm

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the post. I expect this meeting to be heated. I hope they have a larger space secured than last week's Oppidan Project meeting at Hiawatha Park Rec Center, might help keep the tension level down.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby hiawather » February 28th, 2017, 3:20 pm

I unfortunately don't see an option to edit my post. I meant to write "Hiawatha (and surrounding neighborhoods)...Nextdoor site".

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby mattaudio » February 28th, 2017, 3:59 pm

That NO crowd used to love it when I parked Car2Gos in front of their houses. They were whiners about that, about Minnehaha Park plans, about everything.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby hiawather » February 28th, 2017, 4:14 pm

Yes, unfortunately as I've spent more time on Nextdoor I've come to the conclusion that it ought to be named "NIMBYdoor". Clearly there are valid concerns but they are not expressed as loudly or often as...the other concerns.

I should reiterate that I'm in the Hiawatha neighborhood of Minneapolis so I'll admit I've paid little attention to the (majority) part of the line running through St. What's-It-Called-Again?

Concerns are, in general (some nonsensical, some valid):

- safety: LRT's a killer! My kids won't be able to run into the street anymore if a ball flies out of my yard!
- noise/vibration: one guy insists all forms of rail will be louder than buses - it can't even be debated because it's so, so true
- increased traffic in general (not sure why this is an argument used against rail, but it is...)
- decreased home values for the homes directly on the tracks
- overhead power lines
- 'why did we just build BRT there when we're going to build rail'
- "We'll lose a lane of traffic each way! The sidewalks will be smaller!" (despite...facts)
- The trains HAVE to blow their horns at every intersection (despite...facts)
- We won't be able to cross 46th on foot anymore! (this one puzzles me the most. Perhaps there is some connection between walking over embedded rails and spontaneous combustion that I'm ignorant of).
- All change is bad, always and forever
- Why would we pay so much for an end-to-end system that doesn't save time?


It doesn't seem to matter if the discussion is about LRT or streetcars/trollies, though there seems to be a slight preference for trollies (if rail of any kind is considered at all).

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby David Greene » February 28th, 2017, 4:24 pm

hiawather wrote:
February 28th, 2017, 4:14 pm
- Why would we pay so much for an end-to-end system that doesn't save time?
Beyond that, everything else is noise.

This line ain't happening as rail.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby Silophant » February 28th, 2017, 4:32 pm

As an aside, I'm a little jealous of everyone who gets to read interesting/toxic conversations on Nextdoor. The downtown version is pretty much just Craigslist.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby cooperrez » March 2nd, 2017, 2:51 pm

Story from KSTP:

http://kstp.com/news/riverview-corridor ... e/4414027/

Pretty sure all the riders will be flashing gang signs too.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby amiller92 » March 2nd, 2017, 3:00 pm

Dude, the street would be less busy and as it currently exists, has to be terrible to live next to.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby cooperrez » March 2nd, 2017, 6:03 pm

KSTP is here covering the meeting. I guess they're expecting heated discussion.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby FISHMANPET » March 2nd, 2017, 10:10 pm

Isn't there some giant park we can run this through so we don't have to upset any neighbors?
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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby Silophant » March 2nd, 2017, 10:51 pm

It does seem like, in addition to the rail corridor, we should be considering having RVLRT replace the trail on the river side of Shepard. Possibly in a tunnel under the trail.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby Vagueperson » March 3rd, 2017, 7:28 pm

Do any of you see major barriers or benefits to extending the Riverview corridor up East 7th to around Arcade Street? This would encompass the proposed first line of a St. Paul streetcar network. It would hit Metro State, which is just out of reach of the Gateway Corridor and might not be the route choice of the Rush Line.
It would add about 1.5 miles depending on the route.

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Re: Riverview Corridor (Alternatives Analysis)

Postby TroyGBiv » March 4th, 2017, 1:34 am

KSTP hates LRT... they have never done a positive story about it... Hubbard is against all forms of public transit... if you search their news regarding transit you will not find a single story that is even neutral...


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