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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby DanPatchToget » September 16th, 2017, 8:21 am

Tiller, very nice and organized! Would it be alright if I used it as a base for the next version of my transit map? Here is my current one-https://www.flickr.com/photos/141802592 ... ed-public/. As you can see its a bit disorganized.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby Tiller » September 16th, 2017, 9:07 am

I agree, it is an aesthetically pleasing and well-constructed map (the original map and its creator(s) are still credited in the lower right, as I didn't come up with the design), and I have no problem with you using it as a base. There's still some tweaking I'll do like fixing fonts and reworking the aBRT/bus elements, though this link is what I've done so far (with plenty of formats, though the original is the .ai file for adobe illustrator).

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3n6ivvbq9hqz ... rnDMa?dl=0

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby sdho » September 16th, 2017, 8:03 pm

Beautiful map, but why reassign Red Line to the not-yet-built Riverview Corridor, and declare existing Red Line as Pink Line?

A few thoughts:
1. Orange Line will have stop at 76th as well as American, and I can't see any reason why the utility of that stop would change by 2030.

2. 38th St station would be a nice addition.

3. Short of drastic land-use and urban design changes on the Bloomington strip, it's hard to picture the 542 as a more useful transit corridor than the 515 on 66th. (This map actually shows a net reduction on the 515, which is currently high-frequency to Richfield Pkwy.) 66th is the first major transit corridor south of Lake St, and it seems like improving the east connection to the Mall would make the most sense. Richfield's planned Richfield Pkwy and 77th St underpass means that the 515 could proceed south on Richfield Pkwy/18th Ave to 77th St, and get over to the mall relatively quickly.

4. Direct transit access up France from Southdale to West Lake Station would be awesome.

5. Would be nice if aBRT routes were distinguished.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby sdho » September 16th, 2017, 8:06 pm

Two other notes on Blue Line Extension, as of current plans:

1. 97th Ave N is now Oak Grove Pkwy

2. There is no 71st Ave N station

3. Plymouth Ave N station added.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby EOst » September 17th, 2017, 12:40 pm

sdho wrote:
September 16th, 2017, 8:03 pm
Beautiful map, but why reassign Red Line to the not-yet-built Riverview Corridor, and declare existing Red Line as Pink Line?
I don't know if this is his reasoning, but I will say that the colors chosen for the Red and Orange lines look awful right next to each other.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby Silophant » September 17th, 2017, 2:11 pm

Why not interline Silver and Gold Lines via 94, replacing the Rt. 94 as a DT-DT Express?

I guess it might be a long distance, operationally, but without stops between the downtowns, end-to-end time might not be much longer than the extended Green Line.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby mattaudio » September 18th, 2017, 11:28 am

Yes, I've suggested similar ideas before even for express buses heading from East Metro to St. Paul - We should have a designation for buses that go express from DT to DT (and should only charge a local fare for that segment) and interline existing express buses to Mpls via St. Paul and vice versa. This would allow slightly higher frequency on these routes or even consolidation where there are separate routes to St. Paul and Minneapolis from the same transit station.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby Vagueperson » September 18th, 2017, 3:15 pm

good idea.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby mamundsen » September 18th, 2017, 3:56 pm

mattaudio wrote:
September 18th, 2017, 11:28 am
Yes, I've suggested similar ideas before even for express buses heading from East Metro to St. Paul - We should have a designation for buses that go express from DT to DT (and should only charge a local fare for that segment) and interline existing express buses to Mpls via St. Paul and vice versa. This would allow slightly higher frequency on these routes or even consolidation where there are separate routes to St. Paul and Minneapolis from the same transit station.
Might sound like a good idea, but I think the logistics would be terrible. It looks like there is one bus that does this... Rt 353 from Woodbury to downtown Minneapolis via downtown St Paul. Only one trip leaving Woodbury at 5:41 am. I don't see the Eastbound return trip listed. Odd.

351 from Woodbury to downtown St Paul, has 5 WB trips in the am and takes about 25 mins.
355 from Woodbury to downtown Minneapolis, has 12 WB trips in the am and takes about 40 mins.
--- I doubt that the Mpls'ers would want to take the extra time to "swing through" St Paul to drop people off. ---

I take the bus from WBL each day. I'd NEVER go to Minneapolis via St Paul. The 270 (WBL to Mpls) travels on 36 to 35W. When/if the Rush Line opens I will not be considering it as an alternative. To take that south to Minneapolis, transfer to the Green Line, it would nearly double my commute.

Maybe you only meant this for the buses that travel through one DT to get to the opposite DT.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby Tcmetro » September 18th, 2017, 4:27 pm

The 353 is a combination trip of the 351 and 355 at a time when demand is lower and separate routes cannot be justified.

I like the idea of sending the Gold or Purple/Rush line down I-94 to Minneapolis, because it will really help connect the East Side/Metro to Mpls. The big problem is going to be reliability, especially during weather events and rush hour traffic. Once the MnPass lanes and direct connectors to each downtown are built, it might not be as big of an issue. In any case, a separate route for I-94 (i.e. the 94 bus) could be a better alternative, because there is going to be a lot of turnover in Downtown St. Paul.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby Vagueperson » September 18th, 2017, 9:43 pm

I live near Payne Ave and applied for a job by Nicollet Island. Fastest route is #61 (1hr 1m).
64->94->6 is about 8 minutes slower. I wonder if the Rush Line added the #94 route if it would make up that lost time.
If the job were further SW in DT MPLS I'm guessing the #61 would be the slower route, but there are no transfers.

94 Express frequency is not too high outside of rush hour. Is the idea to replace it by extending several other routes (or just one high-frequency BRT route)?


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