Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Bakken2016 » March 22nd, 2018, 2:00 pm

tmart wrote:
March 22nd, 2018, 1:51 pm
To be clear, this is the congressional budget and a lot of these projects were nixed in Trump's proposed budget. But the president's proposed budget is basically a wish list and the congressional budget is the real deal.
Yep I understand that, which is why I am excited.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby tmart » March 22nd, 2018, 2:05 pm

That's how I interpreted it, but I wanted to make sure it was clear for others reading.

I'm very curious what will happen with the other programs that got expanded. I wonder if TIGER mysteriously tripling is a way of partially backdoor funding the Gateway rail in NYC that Trump has thrown a hissy fit over. And the extra community development money could, for instance, mean new affordable housing money available for Minneapolis.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Bakken2016 » March 22nd, 2018, 2:37 pm

tmart wrote:
March 22nd, 2018, 2:05 pm
That's how I interpreted it, but I wanted to make sure it was clear for others reading.

I'm very curious what will happen with the other programs that got expanded. I wonder if TIGER mysteriously tripling is a way of partially backdoor funding the Gateway rail in NYC that Trump has thrown a hissy fit over. And the extra community development money could, for instance, mean new affordable housing money available for Minneapolis.
Like you said, I'm generally surprised they were able to pass such a bipartisan spending bill that is beneficial to our country.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Vagueperson » March 23rd, 2018, 6:13 am

Did the senate change any of this?

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby HiawathaGuy » March 23rd, 2018, 10:20 am

Vagueperson wrote:
March 23rd, 2018, 6:13 am
Did the senate change any of this?
If they changed anything, it would have to go back to committee. So I doubt it.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Bakken2016 » March 23rd, 2018, 2:51 pm

HiawathaGuy wrote:
Vagueperson wrote:
March 23rd, 2018, 6:13 am
Did the senate change any of this?
If they changed anything, it would have to go back to committee. So I doubt it.
They didn’t change anything, and Trump signed it.


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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby tmart » April 13th, 2018, 11:37 am

There's a dumb proposal for a constitutional amendment that auto taxes (gas, etc.) can only be used for roads.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby jebr » April 13th, 2018, 12:15 pm

tmart wrote:
April 13th, 2018, 11:37 am
There's a dumb proposal for a constitutional amendment that auto taxes (gas, etc.) can only be used for roads.
Note that the gas tax and the sales tax on the purchase of vehicles is already dedicated to roads via the Constitution. This would be for auto repair and auto parts, which sounds like a mess to manage from a tax perspective (there's a lot of places that sell auto parts, including a lot of non-auto-oriented neighborhood stores that may not have POS systems to track sales tax separately for auto parts. I'm assuming this would include things such as brake fluid, windshield wiper fluid, license plate holders, etc.)

The only way I'll even consider voting for it is if all taxes from the sales of bikes and bike parts is dedicated to bike infrastructure. :)

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Anondson » April 13th, 2018, 12:36 pm

... and maybe bike service, bike rentals ... ?

If certain sales taxes are going to be diverted away from general use, I’d be interested in supporting this if we changed road funding so that this was the only source of funds for motor vehicle infrastructure. We would have to raise rates until costs were covered. We would also need to have low income support, like we do in other taxes, where lower incomes get a tax benefit to offset some of the burdens of driving taxes. Having this would help offset the howling that inevitably comes up by wealthy drivers who use low income drivers as shields.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby MNdible » April 13th, 2018, 12:55 pm

NEVER NEVER NEVER vote for constitutional amendments that dictate budgeting. It's just a dumb cop-out for legislators.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby amiller92 » April 13th, 2018, 1:03 pm

Anondson wrote:
April 13th, 2018, 12:36 pm
... and maybe bike service, bike rentals ... ?

If certain sales taxes are going to be diverted away from general use, I’d be interested in supporting this if we changed road funding so that this was the only source of funds for motor vehicle infrastructure. We would have to raise rates until costs were covered. We would also need to have low income support, like we do in other taxes, where lower incomes get a tax benefit to offset some of the burdens of driving taxes. Having this would help offset the howling that inevitably comes up by wealthy drivers who use low income drivers as shields.
Right. If you want to dedicate more funds to roads, you need to also commit to not taking other funds for them too.

Still would vote against it, though.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Multimodal » April 13th, 2018, 1:23 pm

Oregon has a bike tax and it raises about $1 million/yr.

How much does Mpls alone spend on bike infrastructure annually?

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Bakken2016 » April 13th, 2018, 2:10 pm

I will be voting against this if it ends up on the ballot. IT has mixed support, so I assume it won't even make it on the ballot.


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