Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby David Greene » November 12th, 2016, 4:17 pm

So I've been thinking more about transportation and infrastructure. I just posted something on the presidential election forum. Go read it.

Specifically talking about transportation, it's clear to me now that this will be used as a carrot and a stick to get people to do what Trump wants. It's part of the plan for creating an autocracy. Bribe people with shiny things so they think he's a normal president. Then come out with things people are uncomfortable with. Spend some more money to placate them. And so on.

Trump has said that sanctuary cities will not get federal funding. That's the stick and is part of his scapegoating plan. The immigrants are the bad guys (at least at first, more will be found). What better way to get blue states and cities to get out of the way than by promising big bucks to fix and build things and tell them if they protect immigrants they get nothing? Cities, urbanists, etc. have been so desperate for investment that it will be a tempting bargain to get that money just for letting ICE come in and work with the police to round up some folks who "shouldn't be here anyway."

We must resist that temptation.

We have to tell Dayton, Hodges, Coleman, Larson (Duluth), Brede (Rochester), other mayors, county commissioners, the Met Council and so on to stand up to Trump. If that means forfeiting federal dollars, so be it. If that means losing SWLRT, I'm willing to give that up because people are way more important than trains.

We also need to create more sanctuary cities. Will Willmar become one because of its large immigrant population? What about Farmington, Northfield, New Ulm? All of these places have large immigrant populations and often have long histories of immigration. If enough cities resist, we might get Trump to back down.

So that's my thinking today. I'm passed the shock, sadness and confusion. I'm on to clarity of purpose and focus on what's most important.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby amiller92 » November 14th, 2016, 11:31 am

A lot of people are going to have to make a judgment on whether he's a budding autocrat or just a racist, populist republican. I don't envy the job, because I do not know.

Then again, he can make it easy if the conditions are explicit.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby David Greene » November 14th, 2016, 12:49 pm

We have to plan for the worst. I hope he surprises us. But I am not counting on it.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Silophant » December 1st, 2016, 3:30 pm

Yeah. Do that.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Vagueperson » December 1st, 2016, 6:36 pm

Sounds great. Let StP and MPLS form a core city team to fund LRT, BRT, streetcar lines, and improved buses. Let the burbs pay for their express buses.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby MNdible » December 1st, 2016, 7:33 pm

Yeah, that math ought to work out great.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby David Greene » December 1st, 2016, 8:01 pm

Y'all are assuming all of the money would go to transit.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Silophant » December 1st, 2016, 10:07 pm

With no actual information beyond a one-sentence tweet, why not be optimistic instead of pessimistic? Plenty of time for sadness when Jeff Johnson proposes the tax increase to be used for an outer beltway because fiscal conservativism.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby RailBaronYarr » December 2nd, 2016, 12:52 pm

Yeah I guess I'm not really sure what the alternative is? I seemed to have convinced DG that maybe Minneapolis should put up some dough for transit operations or capital. And that might help a bit. But we know we didn't secure state funding sources for transit capital projects with 1) full DFL control, and 2) 2/3 DFL control. I'd take my chances that Hennepin + Ramsey, each with a half cent sales tax (and encompassing plenty of suburbs on the lines we've already planned to help assuage MNdible's fear that Peter McLaughlin will all of a sudden focus on building Minneapolis-only subways because the streets.mn forum demanded it). There's still a probably net benefit even if some of it is used for spot road improvements (let's be serious here: the cost of roads isn't the financial problem with roads, it's the cars and gas and insurance that cost society so much).

I really liked the option for us to keep CTIB to fund all (or at least the vast majority of the local share of) the intra-county stuff (ex. Orange Line, Gold Line, etc), with Hennepin/Ramsey levying a tax to fund lines or projects above and beyond those that mostly serve themselves. It would have given the collar counties a much better share of expenditures relative to revenue, helping keep them in. Sadly, that isn't happening. So we do what we have to given constraints.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby MNdible » December 3rd, 2016, 5:11 pm

...to help assuage MNdible's fear that Peter McLaughlin will all of a sudden focus on building Minneapolis-only subways because the streets.mn forum demanded it...
To be clear, my fear was that a funding pool that was limited to just MPLS and StP proper, as was suggested above, wouldn't generate enough funding to do much of anything.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Qhaberl » December 5th, 2016, 7:02 am

Would the Demise of the CTIB allow Henipin county to ask voters for a sales tax increase, instead of having to go through the state? If this were to happen, other cities could gain from investment in public transit.


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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Tcmetro » December 5th, 2016, 7:11 am

According to the CTIB meeting materials, the idea is that the state is being uncooperative with regards to funding, and that a new Joint Powers Board could be set up with the counties able to levy a .5% sales tax. This would basically double the revenue streams within existing legislation.

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby Anondson » January 9th, 2017, 11:17 am

MNDOT found $134M in "efficiencies".

http://finance-commerce.com/2017/01/pin ... iciencies/

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Re: Minnesota Transportation Funding (General)

Postby mamundsen » January 9th, 2017, 2:20 pm

WOAH! $134M this year? Anyone care to give more details for those of us not with access?


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