Green Line LRT

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DanPatchToget
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby DanPatchToget » March 30th, 2018, 8:08 pm

At-grade trains are good when motorists and pedestrians aren't morons, which is most of the time.

phop
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby phop » November 18th, 2018, 7:15 pm

The Green Line is still a star (and the Blue Line is doing great too):

https://www.metrotransit.org/green-line ... -ridership
The Green Line had its busiest month ever in October, keeping the light rail line on pace to set another annual ridership record.

More than 1.4 million rides were taken last month, topping the previous high, set in September, by more than 127,000 rides. October's average weekday ridership was just over 49,000 rides.

Nearly 11.6 million Green Line rides have been taken through the end of October, a 4.5 percent increase compared to the same time last year. Except for February, monthly ridership records have been set every month this year on the Green Line.

Blue Line ridership has increased nearly 4 percent through the end of October, to nearly 9.4 million rides.

The Blue and Green lines each saw record ridership in 2017.

mamundsen
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby mamundsen » November 18th, 2018, 8:01 pm

What is the line supposed to be at? Didn’t they project 2030 numbers? Have they been passed yet?

How high will this go once swlrt is added?

Minnehahaha
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby Minnehahaha » November 18th, 2018, 9:20 pm

They passed up the projections for 2030 (at least as far as average weekday ridership) several years ago.

https://www.metrotransit.org/strong-rid ... niversary-

alexschief
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby alexschief » November 19th, 2018, 8:56 am

Based on last year's ridership numbers and these reported rates of growth, Metro Transit should average about 75,150 weekday rides on the LRT in 2018. The Green Line should average about 42,375 weekday rides, and the Blue Line should average about 32,775 weekday rides. Overall, that should push METRO's weekday rides per track mile up to nearly 3,450.

These sustained rates of ridership growth really are extraordinary, especially in the national context, where many peer LRT systems are seeing small declines in ridership. Part of the story is certainly the ongoing redevelopment along the route of both trains, especially the Green Line. The improvement of feeder bus connections, especially the A-Line, is also probably important. I'm not sure that explains all of the growth however, it really is pretty impressive.

DanPatchToget
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby DanPatchToget » November 19th, 2018, 10:51 am

For such a small system we have quite the ridership. We have more than Denver despite them having eight LRT routes (according to Wikipedia, but if you included their A and B lines which are technically commuter rail then they have more).

mattaudio
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby mattaudio » November 19th, 2018, 11:47 am

We have - by far - the highest ridership-per-mile of a LRT system built in the modern era. Only the SF Muni Metro and Boston Green Line exceed our system.

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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby Silophant » November 19th, 2018, 1:00 pm

It's pretty amazing when you look at the Wikipedia list. If SWLRT opened tomorrow, and absolutely no one rode it, we'd still have about the same ridership per mile as Portland and Denver's systems.

mamundsen
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby mamundsen » November 19th, 2018, 1:40 pm

This discussion makes me wonder why some of the other corridors aren’t going LRT? Our market is SO strong for rail, what would happen if we made gold, rush, and riverview all LRT? I think it would skyrocket the ridership. The Midtown Line should happen ASAP after the SWLRT.

tmart
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby tmart » November 19th, 2018, 2:17 pm

mamundsen wrote:
November 19th, 2018, 1:40 pm
This discussion makes me wonder why some of the other corridors aren’t going LRT? Our market is SO strong for rail, what would happen if we made gold, rush, and riverview all LRT? I think it would skyrocket the ridership. The Midtown Line should happen ASAP after the SWLRT.
Totally agreed. I think Riverview especially, where the plan is already damn near LRT except shorter platforms and a small section in mixed-traffic, is a no-brainer, and I really hope they're smart enough to plan for an eventual conversion. It's super obvious that there's huge demand for reliable, high-quality, fixed-route mobility options within Minneapolis, St. Paul, and similar bordering areas.

I think SWLRT will be an interesting test of how the model extends to first-ring suburbs. (Arguably the Blue Line already tested that, since South Minneapolis gets pretty dang suburban at the extremes, but that's certainly not how it's perceived locally.) If ridership is great in Hopkins or even EP, it will start to look pretty silly that we aren't doing the same for the north side of St. Paul, Maplewood, Richfield, Bloomington, and these other communities where we chose BRT. IMO the Orange Line (at least, the part north of the river) already looks pretty ridiculous and hobbled when we see how phenomenally, shockingly successful rail has been in extremely similar communities.

mamundsen
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby mamundsen » November 19th, 2018, 3:48 pm

Sorry this is veering off topic, but especially with the Rush line in the Bruce Vento trail ROW, the Ford spur available for most of Riverview, and the gold line also planned for dedicated guideway. Just make it LRT and watch the developments roll in.

tmart
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Re: Green Line LRT

Postby tmart » November 19th, 2018, 3:56 pm

Perhaps given the Green Line is long since finished, we could make this a general LRT ridership and future planning thread?


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