Solving car congestion by not caring about cars?

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Solving car congestion by not caring about cars?

Postby Anondson » January 15th, 2017, 11:24 am

An article about how South Florida cities realized they can't get people to get out of their cars if you make it easy to drive cars. So they are deliberately planning tremendous density around existing vehicle congested areas with zero relief for drivers. Choosing to make driving so horrible to induce people to walk, bike, or take transit.
Miami-area officials are saying yes to plenty of development in already heavily-congested areas, regardless of the traffic consequences. In fact, the paper found, “Instead of fixing the [traffic] problem, government officials are deliberately adding to it in hopes we’ll all walk, ride the bus or take the train.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/tri ... ign=buffer

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Postby talindsay » January 17th, 2017, 8:56 am

Awesome.

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Postby cooperrez » January 17th, 2017, 9:27 am

"There are skeptics, particularly those who question how many Floridians will get out of their air-conditioned cars during much of the year’s hot, humid weather."

It's either too hot or too cold to not drive your car.

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Postby bubzki2 » January 17th, 2017, 11:16 am

I have first hand experience in peak season SW Florida over many years. It is absolutely astonishing how bad FL traffic gets, and you still see nary a single person walking or biking except a few who bike to and from the beach (one of few places where parking is limited). I am convinced there is no traffic too bad for Florida types to get out of their cars. Parking, on the other hand, is another question.

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Postby kellonathan » January 19th, 2017, 11:06 am

Just made another mistake of reading the comment section... So many people think they fully pay for the road they use with gas tax, argh.
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Re: Solving car congestion by not caring about cars?

Postby Anondson » April 4th, 2017, 12:13 pm

Where the heck did Atlanta's "Carmagedon" go?

https://www.citylab.com/transportation/ ... =SFTwitter

People are adjusting their traffic decisions just fine so far without I-85. Just like they did with 35W and the highway closures in LA.

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Postby MNdible » April 4th, 2017, 1:46 pm

Because people have short memories, the "just fine" that existed after the 35W bridge collapse involved significant changes to the existing infrastructure, major tie-ups and road delays that rippled across the city, and people dramatically changing their commuting patterns, often with meaningful impacts to their non-commuting lives.

It's true that people did not queue up in a year long traffic jam waiting for the bridge to reopen.

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Postby mattaudio » April 4th, 2017, 1:57 pm

You make it sound like it's a bad thing...

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Postby David Greene » April 4th, 2017, 2:41 pm

MNdible wrote:Because people have short memories, the "just fine" that existed after the 35W bridge collapse involved significant changes to the existing infrastructure, major tie-ups and road delays that rippled across the city, and people dramatically changing their commuting patterns, often with meaningful impacts to their non-commuting lives.

It's true that people did not queue up in a year long traffic jam waiting for the bridge to reopen.
I know it's anecdata but I drove that stretch of 94 every day and did not experience much disruption. I'm sure individual experiences of severe disruption also exist. But I have a hard time saying it was a huge mess overall.

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Re: Solving car congestion by not caring about cars?

Postby Korh » April 4th, 2017, 6:59 pm

Speaking of Florida, anyone else kepping tabs on brightline: the private passenger train set to begin service in about 3ish months, or is that just me...

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Re: Solving car congestion by not caring about cars?

Postby Squidward » April 4th, 2017, 9:10 pm

Has anybody else looked out the window, saw birds fly, then wished you could fly, then thought of helicopters, then drones were a big thing all of a sudden, then thought of something like a personal backpack drone that could fly you places like the crow flies?

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Re: Solving car congestion by not caring about cars?

Postby RailBaronYarr » April 5th, 2017, 8:27 am

Going to pile on, but I also did not feel there was much disruption after the first week or two when the 35W bridge collapsed. And I lived in Marcy Holmes and commuted to Chanhassen, so I definitely would have felt the ripples on any of the freeways west of the river. Because I was incredibly OCD about tracking travel times, I had a log of all the different ways I would take to get to/from work to minimize trip time (seriously, I would try taking 494, 169, or 100 to 394, and either go through downtown [to either the East Bank via Washington Ave or up across Central Ave to get to University Ave] or 94-35W-Washington Ave/Univ pre-collapse. I also tried 494/62 to 35W through S Mpls. I did these a lot before the bridge collapsed and then for the duration of the new bridge construction). My commute varied day by day, but on average each of those routes had a few minutes added to it.

And, hey, I don't need to rely on my own personal experience (which is still pretty substantial considering I lived right there). MnDOT sez that the 135,000 cars that used the bridge experienced $240,000 daily time-loss due to detour delays, or $1.77 per car - or about 5-6 minutes using MnDOT's value of time. And those values were calculated for travel time prior to MnDOT making improvements to detour routes. Obviously the law of averages says some people were impacted more than others, but honestly it was "mostly fine."


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