Labeling the Transit System

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CalMcKenney
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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby CalMcKenney » April 24th, 2019, 1:25 pm

First post here, but can someone explain why a BRT line like the Orange line is labeled differently than the A,B,C, etc lines? Like what is the difference between these lines, is it dedicated lanes or what?

Thanks!

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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby tmart » April 24th, 2019, 2:03 pm

In theory BRT like the Orange Line and LRT are supposed to be "rapid transit" and are meant for traveling greater distances, while aBRT is meant to be an improved alternative to local buses.

In practice it's a distinction without a difference. You could call the A Line the Mauve Line or call the Red Line the Q Line. BRT and aBRT both run on regular streets at short headways with fare prepayment and fancy vehicles. Both run in mixed traffic for parts of their routes with some transit advantages; BRT gets to sometimes use shoulders or carpool lanes (and the Gold and Rush lines will have portions running in a separate dedicated guideway) while aBRT gets signal priority.

The biggest difference seems to be that aBRT primarily serves the city and BRT primarily serves the burbs, the stop spacing in the burbs is greater, and capital costs for BRT are an order of magnitude higher.

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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby Bakken2016 » April 24th, 2019, 2:15 pm

trkaiser wrote:
April 24th, 2019, 9:25 am
Why wouldn't Central be included on that map? Any insight?
Because there is no solidified plan for either the streetcar or aBRT yet.

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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby Bakken2016 » April 24th, 2019, 2:17 pm

NickP wrote:
April 24th, 2019, 12:18 pm
Are the B and E line stops not labeled because they haven’t officially decided on them yet?
Yes, you are correct. The BRT office is still studying them for their final routings.

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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby Vagueperson » April 24th, 2019, 3:38 pm

I think the 14th St stop on the Rush Line and the Robert St stop on the Green Line are meant to be a transfer point, though they'll be right around the corner from one another. This is not shown well on the map, but I think it will be difficult to show it simply, given the quick turns of the Green Line.

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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby Multimodal » April 25th, 2019, 5:34 am

NickP wrote:
April 24th, 2019, 12:18 pm
Are the B and E line stops not labeled because they haven’t officially decided on them yet?
widin007 wrote:
April 24th, 2019, 12:19 pm
Dead-ending the E Line at the Warehouse stop hurts my brain so much.
The E Line is going to be massively expanded; this still shows the initial thoughts from a few years ago. It will not connect to the SWLRT West Lake Station, but rather allow the B Line to do that work for it.

The E Line will go from the U East Bank all the way to Southdale, via Xerxes or France.

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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby CalMcKenney » April 25th, 2019, 8:15 am

tmart wrote:
April 24th, 2019, 2:03 pm
In theory BRT like the Orange Line and LRT are supposed to be "rapid transit" and are meant for traveling greater distances, while aBRT is meant to be an improved alternative to local buses.

In practice it's a distinction without a difference. You could call the A Line the Mauve Line or call the Red Line the Q Line. BRT and aBRT both run on regular streets at short headways with fare prepayment and fancy vehicles. Both run in mixed traffic for parts of their routes with some transit advantages; BRT gets to sometimes use shoulders or carpool lanes (and the Gold and Rush lines will have portions running in a separate dedicated guideway) while aBRT gets signal priority.

The biggest difference seems to be that aBRT primarily serves the city and BRT primarily serves the burbs, the stop spacing in the burbs is greater, and capital costs for BRT are an order of magnitude higher.
Thank you! The orange line will use dedicated lanes when it’s downtown though correct?

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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby Bakken2016 » April 25th, 2019, 8:27 am

CalMcKenney wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 8:15 am
tmart wrote:
April 24th, 2019, 2:03 pm
In theory BRT like the Orange Line and LRT are supposed to be "rapid transit" and are meant for traveling greater distances, while aBRT is meant to be an improved alternative to local buses.

In practice it's a distinction without a difference. You could call the A Line the Mauve Line or call the Red Line the Q Line. BRT and aBRT both run on regular streets at short headways with fare prepayment and fancy vehicles. Both run in mixed traffic for parts of their routes with some transit advantages; BRT gets to sometimes use shoulders or carpool lanes (and the Gold and Rush lines will have portions running in a separate dedicated guideway) while aBRT gets signal priority.

The biggest difference seems to be that aBRT primarily serves the city and BRT primarily serves the burbs, the stop spacing in the burbs is greater, and capital costs for BRT are an order of magnitude higher.
Thank you! The orange line will use dedicated lanes when it’s downtown though correct?
Yep it will use the Marq 2 corridor bus lanes

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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby DanPatchToget » April 25th, 2019, 8:29 am

CalMcKenney wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 8:15 am
tmart wrote:
April 24th, 2019, 2:03 pm
In theory BRT like the Orange Line and LRT are supposed to be "rapid transit" and are meant for traveling greater distances, while aBRT is meant to be an improved alternative to local buses.

In practice it's a distinction without a difference. You could call the A Line the Mauve Line or call the Red Line the Q Line. BRT and aBRT both run on regular streets at short headways with fare prepayment and fancy vehicles. Both run in mixed traffic for parts of their routes with some transit advantages; BRT gets to sometimes use shoulders or carpool lanes (and the Gold and Rush lines will have portions running in a separate dedicated guideway) while aBRT gets signal priority.

The biggest difference seems to be that aBRT primarily serves the city and BRT primarily serves the burbs, the stop spacing in the burbs is greater, and capital costs for BRT are an order of magnitude higher.
Thank you! The orange line will use dedicated lanes when it’s downtown though correct?
On Marquette and 2nd Avenues yes, but with all the bus traffic during rush hour it’ll be a little slow.

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Re: Labeling the Transit System

Postby Bakken2016 » April 25th, 2019, 10:22 am

DanPatchToget wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 8:29 am
CalMcKenney wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 8:15 am
tmart wrote:
April 24th, 2019, 2:03 pm
In theory BRT like the Orange Line and LRT are supposed to be "rapid transit" and are meant for traveling greater distances, while aBRT is meant to be an improved alternative to local buses.

In practice it's a distinction without a difference. You could call the A Line the Mauve Line or call the Red Line the Q Line. BRT and aBRT both run on regular streets at short headways with fare prepayment and fancy vehicles. Both run in mixed traffic for parts of their routes with some transit advantages; BRT gets to sometimes use shoulders or carpool lanes (and the Gold and Rush lines will have portions running in a separate dedicated guideway) while aBRT gets signal priority.

The biggest difference seems to be that aBRT primarily serves the city and BRT primarily serves the burbs, the stop spacing in the burbs is greater, and capital costs for BRT are an order of magnitude higher.
Thank you! The orange line will use dedicated lanes when it’s downtown though correct?
On Marquette and 2nd Avenues yes, but with all the bus traffic during rush hour it’ll be a little slow.
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