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Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: January 24th, 2018, 9:26 pm
by twincitizen
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Of course, the Uptown vs. Kenwood route debate has been beaten to death. But there's more idiocy; a freight reroute that was never promised despite politicians in Minneapolis saying it was. And the freight railroad was never asked how they feel about it until the 11th hour, and once they said no it was one of the final nails in the coffin for that idea. The Met Council wasted a couple years trying to convince St. Louis Park and the railroad that their moronic freight reroute idea would be fine, and when they said no the Met Council made the plan more idiotic.
What’s crazy is that this particularly moronic and self-inflicted problem regarding the freight rail was solved over 4 years ago and we STILL haven’t even started building the damn thing. At the time, I was strongly of the opinion that the failure to relocate the freight rail meant that the project should’ve been kicked back into the Alternatives Analysis, as the earlier route decision was itself based on a major change which did not come to pass. The reason given that we shouldn’t do that was that it would delay the project by several years, which is downright comical in retrospect. We could’ve started this over from scratch in 2013 and not been too far off from the currently estimated opening in 2022.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 13th, 2018, 2:46 pm
by SurlyLHT
Where does this currently stand? Last I knew they were rebidding and Dibble and etc. like it's vibe. Is there any chance this will be funded?

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 13th, 2018, 4:02 pm
by tmart
The state's not funding the project at this point anyway, so I don't see how Dibble's quibbles are anything more than a distraction. I guess the state leg could try to pass a bill banning the project, but Dayton would just veto it. At this point if the Met Council gets an acceptable bid and the FTA follows through on their funding, I think it's getting built.

As far as the FTA following through, so far we haven't seen anything to suggest they'd reject it. Even after the new administration came in, they've generally seemed to be working towards funding it and have ignored the more outlandish requests from state legislators like "can we build more roads with the matching money instead?"

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 16th, 2018, 11:40 am
by Anondson
Eminent domain proceedings are going to begin to acquire temporary construction easements.

https://finance-commerce.com/2018/02/me ... west-line/

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 23rd, 2018, 11:02 am
by Bakken2016
https://metrocouncil.org/Transportation ... l/SEA.aspx

The amended draft of the SEA has been posted. There is 45 days for public comment. It looks like though with the modifications the FTA will give the Council a Positive ROD.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 9:14 am
by Bakken2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... r3yXHnhNjY

New visualization of the EP stations.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 12:24 pm
by seanrichardryan

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 12:26 pm
by Bakken2016
Beat me to it! Good news for regional transit!

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 12:42 pm
by SurlyLHT
What's next for this? The continued bidding process and an eye on Washington for funding?

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 1:15 pm
by Bakken2016
What's next for this? The continued bidding process and an eye on Washington for funding?
Finish the Bidding
Funding from Washington(Congress won't cut the CIG program)
Break ground late summer or early fall.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 1:32 pm
by Zkools20
How long before this is completed assuming they start late summer

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 1:34 pm
by tmart
Per Wiki and some of the earlier press releases, the planned construction timeline seems to be 3 years.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: February 27th, 2018, 1:42 pm
by Bakken2016
How long before this is completed assuming they start late summer
Revenue service is set for 2023, I am assuming early 2023. Cause after building, they will have to test trains first, before revenue service begins.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: March 6th, 2018, 2:19 pm
by Anondson

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: March 12th, 2018, 10:23 pm
by illman00
http://m.startribune.com/more-challenge ... ection=%2F

I don't know much about what these deals normally include but having the met council cover loss of revenue and profits in an economic downturn seems a little ridiculous.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: March 13th, 2018, 6:21 am
by tmart
Is this that big of a deal? I wouldn't expect all these negotiations to go smoothly all the time, and I'm not sure why the Strib is running them as front-page news while they're clearly still ongoing.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: March 13th, 2018, 7:33 am
by DanPatchToget
What I don't get is why we're negotiating with the railroads so late in the process. Wouldn't it make more sense to do this a few years ago and if any changes are made then renegotiate.

I visited TC&W in Glencoe a year and a half ago. I forget who it was, but he said dealing with the Met Council on Southwest was a pain in the you know what. I should've asked for details, but I can't say I'm surprised.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: March 13th, 2018, 8:25 am
by Bakken2016
Is this that big of a deal? I wouldn't expect all these negotiations to go smoothly all the time, and I'm not sure why the Strib is running them as front-page news while they're clearly still ongoing.
Because they like to get people arguing in the comments section, and probably even try to shut the project down.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: March 13th, 2018, 9:04 am
by mattaudio
It could possibly be cheaper for the state to simply buy out the TCW.

Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Posted: March 13th, 2018, 11:00 am
by MNdible
It could possibly be cheaper for the state to simply buy out the TCW.
Should have done that a decade ago.