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Re: MSP Airport

Postby mattaudio » March 29th, 2017, 10:23 am

Delta and Korean Air sign joint venture ... artnership

How could this affect MSP?

- First, I expect MSP will see a flight to Seoul on either Delta or Korean under this JV within the next 2 to 3 years. This would take many of the connecting flows for MSP-Asia traffic that cannot be served via Delta nonstops from Seattle or Detroit. This effectively replaces and expands the function Tokyo-Narita served for decades under Northwest and Delta until the past few years.

- It sounds like this may come at the expense of our Tokyo flight, which was recently switched from Tokyo-Narita (less convenient, but with some onward connections) to Tokyo-Haneda (near the CBD). I think the only potential saving grace is this recent move to Haneda, since daytime slots for international flights are heavily restricted by the Japanese authorities and then apportioned in the US by the US DOT. Delta flies to Haneda from LAX and MSP, but flies to Narita from Atlanta, Detroit, Portland, and Seattle.

If there's a way Delta can change the Haneda slot to Atlanta, Detroit, or Seattle they may very well end the longstanding Minneapolis-Tokyo route. If they cannot change that flight, then Minneapolis may very well keep the Haneda flight since it provides one-stop service between most central and eastern U.S. cities and Tokyo's preferred airport.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby SteveXC500 » March 29th, 2017, 10:27 am

To my knowledge, if DL tries to swap or stop serving MSP-HND, they forfeit the slot to AA in DFW. That said, I do not recall the date through which DL must remain flying this route before being allowed to swap or discontinue.

Agree, either KE or DL will serve ICN in 2018, if not sooner. Realistically, probably in 2018 though.

I foresee DL potentially closing the Narita hub if connectivity could move to ICN with a greater JV opportunity to support connections. But, consumers still need to get to Tokyo and Haneda is a better destination airport (schedule-wise) than Narita. If, however, as of today, travelers need to connect through Narita, they are likely being pushed to SEA. However, if Haneda is the desired destination, we may be seeing connections in MSP. I have no knowledge of loads/yields on this flight, so I have that as a question also.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby talindsay » March 29th, 2017, 3:46 pm

This seems like a win-win for MSP - no way is DL giving up the HND gate after the politics and fighting to get it, but an ICN flight seems likely . This essentially divides the function that used to be done solely by NRT, allowing the MSP-HND flight to almost solely serve traffic to Tokyo, while the ICN flight gives all of MSP's Fortune 500 businesses nonstop access to Seoul while also maintaining the one-stop service to most major Asian destinations that was looking likely to go away with the move from NRT to HND.

Of course, demand has to be there, but I believe MSP still has a more robust domestic connectivity network than any other DL hub except Atlanta, which means lots and lots of one-stop options from Tokyo's preferred airport through MSP, many of which would be faster than through other eastern hubs. That seems likely to be enough to support the HND flight. The ICN flight would be less certain, but if it operates in the Pacific in the way that the MSP-AMS flight operates in the Atlantic, it's probably a solid proposal as well.

It would be nice to see more/better intercontinental flights from MSP, hope this works out.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby dajazz » March 30th, 2017, 9:31 am

Korean Air is also a partner with Alaska Air, considering the bad breakup between Delta and Alaska I'm sure Delta is enjoying an opportunity to squeeze Alaska, especially at their primary hub in Seattle.

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