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Re: MSP Airport

Postby Mcgizz » October 26th, 2016, 4:48 pm

You can get to the LRT platform from the bikeable areas at T2. It's not perfect, but you can walk it or ride right up to the platform. There should really be an underground bike storage facility at T2 connected to the platform where the adjacent construction trailer park is. Considering that is planned to be additional parking ramp in the future it would allow people biking to the airport for work or travel to utilize the LRT and/or bike to the airport.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby Silophant » October 26th, 2016, 5:35 pm

Adding a cycletrack along 34th Ave to Terminal 2 I can maybe see, but I cannot see it being worth $7MM to wedge a bike trail in along the freeway like that. It would be significantly cheaper to build a big fancy bike facility in the acres of parking at the VA or Fort Snelling and subsidize Metropasses for airport employees. If we are actually super concerned about saving travelers the ~$4 in transit fare to and from the airport, Fort Snelling could probably be added to the airport free ride zone without too much heartache.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby acs » October 26th, 2016, 5:41 pm

Silophant wrote:If we are actually super concerned about saving travelers the ~$4 in transit fare to and from the airport, Fort Snelling could probably be added to the airport free ride zone without too much heartache.
Considering that the MAC gets the bulk of it's revenue from parking, opening up that kind of loophole probably wouldn't fly.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby mattaudio » October 26th, 2016, 8:18 pm

Loophole? If anything, the loophole is that parking is FREE at Fort Snelling Park & Ride.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby Silophant » October 26th, 2016, 10:29 pm

Indeed, I imagine anyone willing to flout the rule against overnight parking at Park and Rides to avoid paying for airport parking is probably already doing it, and isn't being prevented by a few dollars of train fare. (Or, y'know, is just not paying the fare, given the low probability of having your ticket checked in the couple of minutes they'll be on the train.)

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby MNdible » October 27th, 2016, 10:33 am

Clearly, you missed the intent of Matt's post, which is that no park and ride anywhere should ever be free.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby sdho » October 27th, 2016, 11:43 pm

The intent of the access from the $7 million trail is to provide decent access from the north. The existing "official bike access" (taking the lane on 34th Ave S to Humphrey, getting into a parking ramp, finding your way to the LRT platform, then taking the train to Lindbergh) is only accessible to the south, really. It isn't practical to expect Minneapolitans to have to go around three sides of the airport to get in.

However, doing some access from Northwest Drive seems like it must be cheaper. That would provide direct access to Lindbergh. Surely they must have some way for hotel patrons to get into the airport? Seems that simple provision of bike lanes on the improved Northwest Dr would get this a lot closer -- access from the north still outstanding.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby MNdible » October 28th, 2016, 9:00 am

The hotel is paying for a dedicated TSA checkpoint that will allow their tenants to enter a new skyway across the access road that will tie in at the end of the C Concourse. So, it's probably theoretically possible, although I doubt the hotel wants their hotel lobby to become a public entrance for the airport.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby Chauncey87 » October 31st, 2016, 3:09 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:Grand opening today, 10/20, of additional gates at T-2

Ever since the additional gates have opened I have not seen a single jet use any of the new gates yet. Once more seasonal routes start that may change. SW it seems still only use four gates and SC gets the other six, however needs to let Condor and Iceland Air use two gates when they fly in. Unless they are only using the new gates in the AM or weekends only. Around 1700 just about everyday I see all four SW gates full followed by at least one jet waiting for a gate in the taxiway. I wonder if the passengers ask about the empty gates?

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby SteveXC500 » October 31st, 2016, 5:46 pm

I have wondered the same thing re: new T-2 gates. I'm wondering if the big demand is Winter and then growth will methodically happen spring and beyond. Nothing to base that theory on, but I know winter tends to be busier for Sun Country. Southwest will have its usual seasonal destinations on the weekends as well.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby MNdible » October 31st, 2016, 8:27 pm

Since airlines like to have all of their gates grouped together for efficiency, there may just be some delays in terms of orchestrating a gradual shift down of operations, as opposed to the airlines opening up a stand-alone gate.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby SteveXC500 » November 2nd, 2016, 3:02 pm

Common Use System Equipment ("CUSE"). MAC is looking to call the T-2 gates as such and no longer use CUTE as the acronym.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby SteveXC500 » December 14th, 2016, 8:00 am

Alaska and Virgin America have closed their merger. Additionally, flights from SFO to MSP will begin Summer 2017.

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2016-12- ... _117:19178

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby matt91486 » December 14th, 2016, 1:30 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:Alaska and Virgin America have closed their merger. Additionally, flights from SFO to MSP will begin Summer 2017.

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2016-12- ... _117:19178
This is the domestic route I use most frequently, nothing could make me happier than a fare war.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby SteveXC500 » December 15th, 2016, 7:40 am

Will have Alaska, Delta, United, and Sun Country on SFO-MSP. Supposedly, Alaska will be twice daily. United uses smaller E175 jets, but will go to larger mainline during the peak summer season.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby talindsay » December 15th, 2016, 3:02 pm

SFO-MSP on an E175 would probably violate the Geneva Convention.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby jebr » December 15th, 2016, 3:14 pm

Honestly, I'd take an E175 that's been refurbished over a larger jet, at least with United's refurbishing. I did E170/175 ATL - DEN - YVR, and between two abreast seating and a bit more leg room with the refurbishing it was one of my most pleasant flights in economy.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby mattaudio » December 15th, 2016, 4:30 pm

Doesn't UA fly SFO-MSP on a CRJ-900? Or at least they have in the past. That's even worse.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby exiled_antipodean » December 15th, 2016, 10:51 pm

No, UA either has the E175s which run 2 a day in winter and shoulder season. The 3 a day schedule is a mix of 2 x E175 and 1 mainline or more rarely 1 x E175 and 2 mainline.

UA doesn't have any CRJ-900s.

The E175 is great, with a high ratio of first:economy it's good for upgrades and at 2:2 in the back comfortable if you don't clear an upgrade.

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Re: MSP Airport

Postby Chauncey87 » December 17th, 2016, 4:30 pm

Just an update on the new T2 gates they are now being used. They only seem to be used by SW airlines at this point.

I also love the 2-2 seating arrangement on the E175s. I got to fly United Plus on an E175 from MSP to LAX. I remembered a really smooth flight.


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