Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby alleycat » February 4th, 2016, 5:28 pm

Redeemer Lutheran Church, who also happen to run the Venture North bike shop, will file a federal suit if MNDOT doesn't make changes to lane count and pedestrian accessibility.

https://www.minnpost.com/politics-polic ... pact-blue-
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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby David Greene » February 4th, 2016, 5:40 pm

God I love Redeemer.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby David Greene » February 4th, 2016, 5:47 pm

Yang: "Such is life."

Sums up his fatalistic approach to governing perfectly. He needs to go.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby acs » February 5th, 2016, 12:05 am

If the they don't reduce the lanes then the C line needs to be routed down Glenwood ave. long term.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby froggie » February 5th, 2016, 7:20 am

I didn't read anything about Redeemer filing a lawsuit. And from what I've seen, they don't have anything they could use to successfully win one...

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby alleycat » February 5th, 2016, 7:35 am

Thomas Siburg, the director of urban planning and asset development for Redeemer Center for Life, Redeemer Lutheran Church's non-profit satellite, said the church will file a federal complaint against MnDOT claiming it is in violation of rules that require transportation projects not discriminate against protected classes.
Complaint, not lawsuit. If a lawsuit got three light rail stops on University...
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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby Tcmetro » February 9th, 2016, 10:28 am

Ped bridges are being considered for the 63rd Ave N and Bass Lake Rd stations:

http://metrocouncil.org/getdoc/8280b967 ... ation.aspx

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby thatchio » February 9th, 2016, 10:02 pm

Most interesting part of the presentation: apparently CR81 is a house moving route and needs to maintain a certain vertical clearance of these potential bridges. Is there a map of house moving routes in the TC? Makes sense that they exist but never really thought about designated routes.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby froggie » February 10th, 2016, 6:52 am

I found MnDOT's map of trunk highway house moving routes, but could find nothing at the county or local level.

(EDIT) I also sent an email to a few people I know at Hennepin County DOT to see if such a map exists at the county level.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby alleycat » February 12th, 2016, 11:53 am

Municipal consent was approved 9-3. Yang, Cano and Gordon were the no votes, though other council members voiced continued concerns with the 6 lane cross-section. Even if it was only a protest vote, I'm proud of Blong today.
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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby mattaudio » February 12th, 2016, 12:20 pm

I hope WedgeLive cuts a YouTube clip of Blong's speech on this. It was - by far - the best thing I have ever heard from him. I knew Gordon was going to be a no vote on this, and I appreciate it. But I was so pleasantly surprised by Blong Yang today.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby trigonalmayhem » February 12th, 2016, 5:08 pm

I smell a Title VI lawsuit. Our whole transit planning process is seriously overdue for a legal civil rights challenge, but this line and section is particularly egregious.

From the FTA's own guide on title VI as it relates to transit planning
http://www.fta.dot.gov/documents/Title_ ... f_1964.ppt
(Slide 16) "Examples of Actions with Potentially Disparate Impacts"
Planning a fixed guideway project that travels through predominantly minority communities but does not include stations in these communities.
I'd say this line very clearly meets that requirement, and the fact that one of the few stations serving that community is dangerously inaccessible due to all these traffic lanes might make a pretty good argument.

(Slide 17) "When can recipients take actions that have disparate impacts?"
In the cases when the policy is supported by a “substantial legitimate justification” and
There are no comparably effective alternative practices that would result in less disparate impacts and
The justification for the action is not a pretext for discrimination.
There are very clearly alternatives to placing the station in the middle of a zillion lanes of traffic that aren't being considered here. The justification for the extra traffic lanes relies on faulty predictive models for traffic growth into the future, so ...

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby froggie » February 13th, 2016, 7:47 am

I'd disagree that you'd be able to push a lawsuit regarding Slide 16. There are other Federal laws that address alternatives that are or are not "reasonable and prudent". Because of the ROW requirements, a line going deeper into the Northside was not considered "reasonable and prudent".

Where you might have a case is with Slide 17.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby trigonalmayhem » February 15th, 2016, 6:54 pm

I meant more about the alternative being in the design of the road around the stop or the stop being on the side of the road and not in the middle.

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Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby Anondson » February 22nd, 2016, 9:19 pm

Few speak at park LRT hearing.

http://post.mnsun.com/2016/02/19/few-sp ... t-hearing/

Details on the impact on the park it's being run through in Golden Valley.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby mattaudio » April 18th, 2016, 9:52 am

What would it take to cobble together funding for the portion extending west along Olson Hwy to Penn Ave Station? Could Minneapolis redirect some of its Nicollet TIF funding to this project instead? I bet $200 million could do it.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby RailBaronYarr » April 18th, 2016, 11:31 am

As a point of clarification, does the Nicollet TIF funding language the city got approved from the state allow that money to be spent on transit generally, or only a Nicollet/Central streetcar?

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby MNdible » April 18th, 2016, 11:39 am

Not sure exactly, but the parcels that are generating the TIF are all located along the alignment of the Nic streetcar, so it would be a hard sell to move it to something that didn't directly serve those parcels.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby RailBaronYarr » April 18th, 2016, 1:05 pm

About as hard of a sell as securing TIF for parcels with big projects already under construction? I'm not saying it was a great idea for Bottineau, and a quick search shows the legislation only allowed it to be on parcels on Nicollet or Central and only spent on the streetcar. And it was only $60m anyway.

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Re: Bottineau LRT (Blue Line Extension)

Postby Anondson » April 19th, 2016, 9:38 pm

Planners recommending closing 39 1/2 street crossing on Blue Line extension in Robbinsdale.

http://post.mnsun.com/2016/04/19/closed ... -crossing/

It will reduce at grade street conflicts.


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