High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby Oreos&Milk » February 23rd, 2018, 1:01 pm

Tiller wrote:
February 21st, 2018, 2:45 am
High speed bus service has been a topic of conversation before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNixDlRoMvA
FAKE NEWS! Sad!

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby tmart » April 30th, 2018, 1:50 pm

HF 4385 (GOP omnibus tax bill) would ban study of rail to Rochester:
Sec. 20. [459.36] NO SPENDING OF PUBLIC MONEY FOR CERTAIN RAIL
PROJECTS.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b), a governmental unit must not spend or use any
money for any costs related to studying the feasibility of, planning for, designing,
engineering, acquiring property or constructing facilities for or related to, or development
or operation of intercity or interregional passenger rail facilities or operations between the
city of Rochester, or locations in its metropolitan area, and any location in the metropolitan
area, as defined in section 473.121, subdivision 2.

(b) The restrictions under this section do not apply to:

(1) funds the governmental unit obtains from contributions, grants, or other voluntary
payments made by nongovernmental entities from private sources;

(2) expenditures for costs of public infrastructure, including public utilities, parking
facilities, a multimode transit hub, or similar projects located within the area of the
development district, as defined under section 469.40, and reflected in the development
plan adopted before the enactment of this section, that are intended to serve, and that are
made following the completed construction and commencement of operation of privately
financed and operated intercity or interregional passenger rail facilities; or

(3) expenditures made after enactment of a law that explicitly adds the intercity or
interregional passenger rail project for which the expenditures are made to the statewide
freight and passenger rail plan under section 174.03, subdivision 1b.

(c) For purposes of this section, "governmental unit" means any of the following, located
in development regions 10 and 11, as designated under section 462.385, subdivision 1:

(1) statutory or home rule charter city;

(2) county;

(3) special taxing district, as defined in section 275.066;

(4) metropolitan planning organization; or

(5) destination medical center entity, which includes the Destination Medical Center
Corporation and agency, as those terms are defined in section 469.40, and any successor or
related entity.

EFFECTIVE DATE. This section is effective the day following final enactment without
local approval under Minnesota Statutes, section 645.023, subdivision 1, clause (c).
It's been awhile since we had a good gag bill. We've sure got some experts in the field of making sure nothing ever gets done.

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby grant1simons2 » April 30th, 2018, 2:33 pm

Ah so will most definitely result in the actual train being built to spite whoever is authoring this, right? Please?

Also without even checking, is this Duane Quam?

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby tmart » April 30th, 2018, 6:29 pm

I'm sure they'll get on this right after they finish the Dan Patch line.

I'm not sure how to tell from the House website who introduced an amendment, but it looks like it was in the final version that passed.

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby Multimodal » May 1st, 2018, 6:29 am

State legislature has become the Government Of No.

Banning anything interesting.

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby tmart » May 1st, 2018, 7:52 am

I don't even understand the arguments for banning study. Like, in the end, the legislature would still have to vote to fund whatever project anyway! It's purely a spite move that makes it strictly harder to be sure we're making the right choices.

We need a blanket lifting of study bans. Or better still, if we ever get a transit amendment, we should sneak in that the legislature can't ban the study of certain transit corridors.

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby Bakken2016 » May 1st, 2018, 8:09 am

I'm assuming Gov Dayton can line veto that?

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby DanPatchToget » May 1st, 2018, 8:15 am

If I was ever a state legislator I would propose a ban on widening Highway 52. I know it would never pass, but just to give the legislators who are trying to ban rail something to think about. This is a slippery slope, first Dan Patch, now Zip Rail, and then what? Every light rail project? Oh yeah, that's what Jeff Johnson wants.

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby tmart » May 1st, 2018, 8:23 am

Bakken2016 wrote:
May 1st, 2018, 8:09 am
I'm assuming Gov Dayton can line veto that?
Line-item vetos are only for appropriations bills, which I don't think this qualifies as.

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby Nick » May 2nd, 2018, 6:52 am

Throwback to the last “proposal” for rail to Rochester being very clearly a scam for Rotary Club types:

http://www.bluestemprairie.com/bluestem ... peace.html

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby DanPatchToget » May 2nd, 2018, 8:42 am

Can't believe MnDOT canned their study because some random guy thought he could privately finance it. Their "headquarters" near the MOA still has the NAHSR sign on top of the building.

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby phop » May 2nd, 2018, 8:57 am

This would all be less soul-sucking if it hadn't been so obvious from the start.

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Re: High Speed Rail MSP to Rochester

Postby tmart » May 8th, 2018, 2:15 pm

The anti-rail provision does not appear in the Senate version of the bill. We'll see which version comes out in the end--and whether Dayton ends up signing the bill, which will be controversial for reasons much bigger than a rail gag order.

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/bs/90/HF4385.pdf


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