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Re: Interstate 94

Postby woofner » April 30th, 2013, 10:21 am

From an item in today's TPW agenda:
7th Street Ramp from Westbound I-94
The City intends to submit a proposal for construction of a new exit ramp from westbound I-94 into downtown. This 7th Street Ramp would replace the existing 5th Street Ramp, which would be re-purposed as a local connection between downtown and the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood.
Cool that they're actively working on it, although I'm not sure I see much chance for either of the granting programs they're applying for:
CIMS – Corridor Investment Management Strategy
The CIMS Program represents an initial Pilot Solicitation by MNDOT. The Program is seeking projects that advance the Minnesota GO objectives of Quality of Life, Economic Competitiveness, and Environmental Health. The maximum award through this program is $10 Million and requires a 10% local match. Projects must be on the State Trunk Highway system (includes Interstates) and must be let for construction by January, 2015.
TED – Transportation for Economic Development
This will be the third year that MNDOT has solicited for projects through the TED Program. Hennepin County submitted a successful TED proposal, supported by the City, for construction of the 4th Avenue Ramp to northbound I-35W. The maximum award through this program is $7 Million and requires a 30% local match. Projects can be located on any road, involving any mode of travel. Projects must be let by January, 2015.
But then I don't really get how the 4th St ramp project is "economic development."
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Re: Interstate 94

Postby mattaudio » April 30th, 2013, 10:23 am

How would 5th St connect to Cedar-Riverside? Connect to the Blue Line grade crossing at 15th Ave S>

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby mister.shoes » April 30th, 2013, 11:11 am

That would almost certainly turn 5th St into a two-way from Cedar-Riverside to 11th Ave, no? And with the Vikings wanting to close 5th St south of the new stadium, this would all make sense.
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Re: Interstate 94

Postby mattaudio » April 30th, 2013, 11:32 am

I've also thought that there's enough ROW to turn 6th into a two-way boulevard all the way west to HCMC.

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby RailBaronYarr » April 30th, 2013, 12:03 pm

mattaudio wrote:I've also thought that there's enough ROW to turn 6th into a two-way boulevard all the way west to HCMC.
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Re: Interstate 94

Postby Tcmetro » April 30th, 2013, 12:05 pm

The new freeway ramps at 4th St and 7th St, and the repurposing of 5th St are all wonderful ideas, IMO.

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I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby lordmoke » June 9th, 2013, 5:22 pm

Well this is pretty interesting:
http://www.startribune.com/local/minnea ... 69831.html

I was very skeptical until I reached the part that talks about repurposing the old 5th St ramp as a connection to the West Bank. This also explains why the city was on board with eliminating 5th in the stadium plans.

Thoughts?

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby RailBaronYarr » June 9th, 2013, 6:00 pm

I think this has had some discussion elsewhere, but not sure. Obviously reconnecting 5th to West Bank area for peds/bikes is a great idea (although that plan on Streets.mn also has 5th connecting to Hiawatha as a full street, even better IMO), and the routing of the ramp to 7th instead makes perfect sense. My take is the article frames the priority pretty well, as they use the word 'commuter' and don't really focus on any benefits to the local neighborhoods. This could be a disaster for making life along 7th reasonable if no traffic calming measures are taken once you're off the freeway. Giving commuters 3 lanes, straight to the west side of DT does not encourage safe, slow driving...

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby MSPtoMKE » June 9th, 2013, 11:07 pm

This seems like a good idea, but I share the concern for 7th St. turning into even more of a car sewer (Is "car sewer" one of the no-no words on UrbanMSP?) The connection between the existing 5th St. ramp bridge and 15th Ave. in Cedar-Riverside would also be a bit tricky. It would meet the street at an acute angle, and there is immediately a grade-crossing with the Blue Line. Using it only as a pedestrian and bike connection would be possible, although it is fairly duplicative of the Hiawatha Bike Trail (is it called the Blue Line Bike Trail now?). It does make for a somewhat more direct connection between Cedar-Riverside and Elliot Park, however.
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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby fehler » June 10th, 2013, 9:44 am

I'd like to see 5th Street connected up to 15th Ave, to enhance connections between downtown/Elliot Park with Cedar Riverside. And I'd like to see not only I-94 to 7th, but also I-94 to 8th/Hiawatha Ave South. I dislike the Cedar Ave exit, drive around, and re-entrance.

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby MNdible » June 10th, 2013, 10:16 am

Yep, this seems like a great idea. Hope they can find the funding to do this now so that the changes can be done in concert with the rework around the Vikings Stadium. I agree a new connection at 15th Avenue seems like the way to go.

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby twincitizen » June 10th, 2013, 10:26 am

For cars? Or just bike/ped?

It seems like the "right thing to do" to reconnect the neighborhoods, but the bike/ped connection already exists. Connecting 5th St to 15th Ave would needlessly duplicate an existing connection. And introducing vehicles to the LRT & Trail crossing just sounds like a terribly dangerous proposition, even moreso because of the acute angle of the intersection.

Wouldn't it just be an unnecessary expense for the city to maintain & plow? Not to mention potentially deadly to LRT and trail users? There has to be better justification for making that connection than the "feel good" aspect of reconnecting areas that freeways severed, especially if said connections can be made today by LRT, bike & ped. Cars can access this area just fine, if a little convoluted. They seem to do just fine now. The added danger does not seem worth it. What set of origin-destination points would this connection serve that cannot be made now?

[just so there's no confusion, the above is all referring to the 5th St/15th Av connection. WB I-94 to 7th Street is brilliant and should be started immediately to coincide with the stadium. And it should include a dedicated bus lane all the way to Hennepin]

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby MNdible » June 10th, 2013, 10:37 am

It wouldn't need to be at an acute angle -- it could very easily be squared off, and wouldn't be any more or less dangerous than the typical condition along Hiawatha further south.

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby RailBaronYarr » June 10th, 2013, 10:42 am

All good points on the vehicular access given the bike/LRT crossing. Maybe they could enhance the bike/ped access across 35W to meet up with 5th since the existing trail snakes along the LRT and dumps people a full 2 blocks north. For those biking/walking from Cedar/Riverside and wanting to head to destinations on the southern edge of DT, this would be a welcome time savings and not at much cost.

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby mulad » June 10th, 2013, 11:02 am

Hmm. I feel convinced that we've discussed this before, but maybe all the discussion focused on the CR-122 trench farther north. Here's one thread about reconnecting the West Bank grid in general:

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=943

...which was probably inspired by discussion here:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=15&p=9188#p9163

I thought there had also been some discussion here by Adam Froehlig (ajfroggie), but maybe that was just on Twitter. Anyway, he wrote up a plan for Streets.mn a while back

https://streets.mn/2013/01/22/addressin ... rhood-gap/

Well, getting back to the topic at hand -- would rearranging the ramps do anything to free up land for development by the Cedar-Riverside station? That could be a pretty valuable endeavor.

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

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Re: I-94 7th St Ramp in Minneapolis

Postby MNdible » June 28th, 2013, 9:00 am

The Minnesota Department of Transportation and the state Department of Employment and Economic Development just announced a housewarming present for the Vikings as they’re headed for their new home in 2016.

This seems a bit off the mark, since it's been in Minneapolis's transportation plan since 2007. The stadium adds some urgency to the situation, but really this change has been needed since they shut down 5th Street for Hiawatha construction over a decade ago.

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby cond8147 » July 30th, 2013, 6:44 pm

Rep. Bachmann et al are back again lobbying for an I-94 expansion from the suburbs to St. Cloud... And surprisingly there are a couple of nice viewer comments about finishing Northstar all the way.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/07/3 ... to-dayton/

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby Mdcastle » July 30th, 2013, 7:58 pm

Not like I-94 doesn't desperately need more lanes, but politicians should find funding for transportation, not designate what little money we have gets spent on.


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